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guy 3 bet me previous sess a bit from what i remember but now i just sat and i think its too early to 4 bet get it in here without more action from him. he looks like 24 20 reg but only one tbling 3/6 pretty weird.

whats the move on turn since i dont have read on him postflop?

Party Poker $600.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players - View hand 64204
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SB: $717.25
BB: $335.55
Hero (CO): $597.00
BTN: $752.45

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is CO with Q A
Hero raises to $21, BTN raises to $51, 2 folds, Hero calls $30

Flop: ($111.00) T A K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $63.00, Hero calls $63

Turn: ($237.00) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $180.00

he could be playing multiple sites, especially if hes european and can access more sites than stars, ftp, cake.

its not really a min 3bet, its just a very small one. there are plenty of players who make these really small 3bets IP, esp OTB.

your hand is basically a bluff catcher and the K is a really bad bluff card so i dont mind a fold turn since i think that even if he does decide to bluff the turn he might fire the river and calling the river unimproved cant be good readless.

still, there are 8 combos of AJ that he could definitely bet and only 9 combos of AA,KK,AK,TT so your hand is still good a decent amount on the turn. if his range is wider thn i guess KQ,QJs,KTs might be in there too. but if his range is wider it could easily include a bunch of Axs as well.

i dont hate a fold on the turn bc were just lost in the hand. but call turn fold river is fine too imo.

he could be playing multiple sites, especially if hes european and can access more sites than stars, ftp, cake.

its not really a min 3bet, its just a very small one. there are plenty of players who make these really small 3bets IP, esp OTB.

your hand is basically a bluff catcher and the K is a really bad bluff card so i dont mind a fold turn since i think that even if he does decide to bluff the turn he might fire the river and calling the river unimproved cant be good readless.

still, there are 8 combos of AJ that he could definitely bet and only 9 combos of AA,KK,AK,TT so your hand is still good a decent amount on the turn. if his range is wider thn i guess KQ,QJs,KTs might be in there too. but if his range is wider it could easily include a bunch of Axs as well.

i dont hate a fold on the turn bc were just lost in the hand. but call turn fold river is fine too imo.

I think you make some v good value points.

I think AJ is less likely aswell just because AJ checks back this flop a few times.

Saying that I really dont expect many Kx's to be in his range, and when he bets the turn he either has a fullhouse or nothing.....which make me think we can calldown here :s

I think we only have a bluff catcher and he isnt bluffing the K on the turn that often. I would just fold on the turn.

you argument for not 4betting this pre is because its too early in the sesh? its not like each session is an independent event and especially if he played back at you earlier, i think you are +EV here if you 4bet.

as played i want to call. is he thinking/well-balanced (he realizes that K is a bad card to bluff but does it anyways repping a narrow range)? would he bet Ax here?

This hand illustrates the problem with flatting OOP with AQo against an aggressive player. I'd 4 bet here almost always if you think he's capable of 3 betting light.

Him cbetting a K would be odd, but an aggressive players 3 betting range will often include KT, KJ, KQ, so there are plenty of hands. He can have QJ as well for sure. Him betting AJ here would be pretty spewy without a read so I don't really think he'll do that. And if he's aggressive enough and spewy enough to play AJ this way you absolutely 100% must 4 bet pre.

I mean you basically have a bluff catcher, your hand is marginal and I think there are decent arguments to calling or folding, but I think if you're gonna flat in this spot PF it's because you're giving him a fair amount of credit, in which case this turn is a fold.