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Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by PygmyHero (Mid Stakes)

Time Link to 00:12:26

I think this hand and the previous hand show nicely the distinctions between a good solid fold on the river and a good call. The size of the pot, the unknowness of the villian, and the strength of your hand and the WTF action makes hand two a pretty easy call.

I also think from a metagame and psychological aspect the call is important. Anybody who is paying attention will know you have folded probable strong hands in both situations. This will increase the chances that players will make more plays against you. Obviously, not everyone is paying attention or will have the ability or guts to take a shot at you but it is a factor. Interestingly, by calling here, it creates a situation where people may now wonder if you really did fold a strong hand in hand 1.

Folding here may leave you wondering if you made the right play and may put you back on your heels a little bit for the rest of the session.

BTW: I think you making the turn call in hand 1 is not as bad as if a player with less ability did since they probably won't have the ability to let this go on the river.

It's not that he CAN'T have them. It's just that first he'd have to have them then he'd have to bet the turn, both of which I think are at least reasonably unlikely. I'd discount those to about 1 combo between the two of them.

Oh don't get me wrong - I agree with you and I understand what elements go into the parlay / how thin it is.

Hey motienko,

Good summary and compare/contrast of the two hands. I agree with what you're saying about meta factors, though generally I doubt my opponents are going to notice or think about anything (except for Boomer and, well, I already flashed him my cards in the first hand). I actually think concluding I had a FD in hand 1 is reasonable.

Can we expect more hand replaying like in this episode or will future episodes be more powerpointish like ep. 1?

Can we expect more hand replaying like in this episode or will future episodes be more powerpointish like ep. 1?

Right now the plan necessarily includes 1 more PowerPoint, but it will have more hands than episode 1. Everything else will pretty much be HH examples - at most I'll add some PPT slides to summarize a few key points.

I may do one other episode using PPT, but I'm not sure. But if I do go the PPT route I'm really confident you guys will be happy as I have some interesting topics in mind. It will NOT be beginner content (like ep. 1) and would include some stuff I don't think I've seen anywhere else.

Thanks Pygmy for this great series. Live play is clearly an undercovered topic on this site. I am especially greatful since I am transisioning back to live.

With players making it 9 bets with the fourth nut: b/3betting a onecard straight not to the nuts and 3 flush cards present against a super tight player(me...relatively speaking): Over calling with fourth pair on a 4 club board etc etc. makes me wonder why I stopped making the 30 minute drive to the casino and started playing online.....O Yeah! the recession and having to bail out friends and family members= no cash.

Seriously though, if you are close to a Casino that spreads a lot of games isn't it more profitable to play live?

Thanks Pygmy for this great series. Live play is clearly an undercovered topic on this site. I am especially greatful since I am transisioning back to live.

Out of curiosity, whereabouts are you? PM if you'd like.

As for your question about profitability...I mean, that depends almost entirely on the player. A huge factor (this is going to sound stupid) is that live you're constrained to one table. That's not a huge deal for someone like me who usually only plays 2-3 anyway, but obviously massively multi-tabling is a key part of many players profitability. In any event, there's no way around the pace - you get maybe ~1/3rd the hands per hour you'd get at a single online table.

Generally speaking I'd assume most players who are profitable in both environments do better online.

Oooh are you thinking about covering angle shooting?

Out of curiosity, whereabouts are you? PM if you'd like.

As for your question about profitability...I mean, that depends almost entirely on the player. A huge factor (this is going to sound stupid) is that live you're constrained to one table. That's not a huge deal for someone like me who usually only plays 2-3 anyway, but obviously massively multi-tabling is a key part of many players profitability. In any event, there's no way around the pace - you get maybe ~1/3rd the hands per hour you'd get at a single online table.

Generally speaking I'd assume most players who are profitable in both environments do better online.

I play at Casino Arizona.

I have played three times this year and the games are way way way softer than online. I can also play higher limits live like 8/16 and 20/40 and not be playing against worldbeaters.

I'll continue to play both for now.

Time Link to 00:57:27

How do you "assign" a probability? This has been one of my most difficult subjects to deal with. Another type of estimation aside from this video comes from Small Stakes Hold'em by: Miller, Sklansky, and Malmuth, Page 24, Part One: Gambling Concepts.

"Say you have five opponents, and you estimate that, on average, your ace-king will win the hand about one out of four times."

It isn't written HOW they came up with this estimation, it just goes on with their example. I can't begin to tell you how frustrating it is to encounter examples like this. I understand that with experienced players it may be easy to forget that beginning players don't know all of the "how-to's".

I've asked this same question in other forums, and I get replies with Poker Stove. I don't want to depend on a poker software to do the work for me. I want to have the knowledge to tap into and apply to my live game. So, my question here is...

How do you just estimate that your ace-king will win one out of four times against FIVE DIFFERENT OPPONENTS!? These five players could and probably will (assuming on my part) have different hand ranges, and somehow is ESTIMATED that ace-king will just somehow out of thin air win one out of four times.

Now, I know that it's probably not and estimate out of thin air. I know that there is probably some logic behind it. I just need to know how you come up with these estimations. Maybe it's not an appropriate topic here, but if not, give me the knowledge that these pro's use to make these estimations.

Thank you very much.