HWilly1
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A solid SB PP flatting range would be 77-TT or JJ. It's very difficult to extract value from 22-66 by flatting because they have so little SDV; however, if you are going to flat them you will need to occasionally play back (c/r etc) to supplement the slightly -EV pre-flop flat. When the board comes J54r we will have at least 50% equity vs his V!'s range. Assuming that V! will be c-betting this board nearly 100% of the time we essentially have 4 options. c/f (neutral EV). c/c (difficult because our SDV is very weak and we are against a competent, aggressive V! that won't hesitate to 2-barrel). Donk bet (we can attempt to actualize our equity and avoid playing another street). c/r (seems best). Our bet accomplishes multiple things. 1. We force V! to basically turn his hand face-up. 2. We only need 68% FE to make an outright profit. 3. We avoid a difficult and most likely -EV c/c'ing situation. 4. We actualize our equity (V! can't call wt ace high)
^^We are using our pair to prevent ace high from winning at showdown.
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Sillygoose87
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Methinks the problem with this line of thinking is (1) we are assuming that we have good enough implied odds to profitably mine with such a bad hand and (2) we define our range as not a great hand by limping. This is markedly different from playing a medium strength hand post flop because we flat with a completely undefined range post flop in position. When we start to limp our range is markedly defined.
As NL players our eyes are often wider than our mouths in terms of implied odds. We drastically over estimate how much of our opponent's stack we will get when we hit and drastically underestimate how often we'll get coolered when we're certain we're good
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BalugaWhale
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Methinks the problem with this line of thinking is (1) we are assuming that we have good enough implied odds to profitably mine with such a bad hand and (2) we define our range as not a great hand by limping. This is markedly different from playing a medium strength hand post flop because we flat with a completely undefined range post flop in position. When we start to limp our range is markedly defined.
As NL players our eyes are often wider than our mouths in terms of implied odds. We drastically over estimate how much of our opponent's stack we will get when we hit and drastically underestimate how often we'll get coolered when we're certain we're good
methinks youre underestimating our ability to play poker relative to our opponents
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Sillygoose87
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methinks youre underestimating our ability to play poker relative to our opponents
Methinks that may be the case. Dunning-Kruger effect is a doozy... That being said, I misread the amount villain had behind when I posted, especially in terms of BBs. I had a brain fart and thought we weren't playing 1/2.
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BalugaWhale
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Methinks that may be the case. Dunning-Kruger effect is a doozy... That being said, I misread the amount villain had behind when I posted, especially in terms of BBs. I had a brain fart and thought we weren't playing 1/2.
no worries! welcome to the forums 
Andrew
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Sillygoose87
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no worries! welcome to the forums 
Andrew
Thanks, Mr. Seidman. I'm a huge fan of this series (and your thought processes) and it's taken my game to a different level. I look forward to diving into your other works.
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DBG76
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Hi, Firstly Ive love this series, Just watched them back to back the last few days and its really cemented a few things in my own mind for me and ive learnt a great deal.
1 question, about the discussion regarding our strategy against swipesvilles 3b strategy.
So, we know he is polarized OOP, this will be Big cards and all PPs? why do we want to then 4b lighter when he will more prone to 5b shove (say anypair + AQ+).
Did you mean 4b lighter for value and include all PPs 77+ so we can all the 5b for example? as opposed to 4b bluffing lighter? (and then folding).
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DBG76
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OranRai
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