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dohdohdoh

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I'm SB with Q10. I limp in. 3 more players limp.

Board : Jc Kc Ad

I check expecting a bet. Yes, last position bets. I re-raise x3.

1 caller. He has position on me.

Turn : 7d

I now bet 2/3 of the pot.

Villain calls.

River : 10c

OK, we have 3 clubs on the board. But I've seen some players just call with top pair to the river, so there is no certainty he has made the flush. I don't want to check and give him an ideal opportunity to bluff, so I bet 1/3 of the pot, hoping it looks like a value bet.

He re-raises all in.

What do I do now?

Posted over 5 years ago

Aillemkall

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You will get better responses if you use the hand converter. Also, try to include your image, the way the villain has been playing, and stack sizes. Stakes can be relevant too.

As far as the hand goes, I think the 1/3 pot bet on the river is bad. I bet at least half pot. Lots of vilians take a 1/3 pot bet as weakness. As played, I fold it. But, it's hard to answer because I don't know how much you have left, how much he has left, and what is in the pot.

Posted over 5 years ago

Kwantum

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Stack sizes and any reads here would be nice. Without more info, I'd probably fold the river. You made a small blocking bet and got raised, you're basically calling only for a chop here if you do call. Unless you have some crazy read or stack sizes are weird, this is a fold.

Posted over 5 years ago

DJ Sensei

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Why wouldn't you want him to bluff? I think this is a great spot to check-call, depending on the stack sizes and such.

Posted over 5 years ago

Aillemkall

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DJ,

I really am unsure about a call here. It was a limped pot and villian has played the hand just like a flush draw and has now raised over the blocking bet allin.

Is villian good enough to bluff raise a weak blocking bet? If villian doesn't have a flush, does he have a 2nd best hand like trips he just turned into a bluff? You hear from trips, so the only thing I can think of is he limped AQ, has KQ, or QJ.

His call on the turn really has me worried though. It wreaks of a draw, and if he has a set I am pretty sure we hear about it by now. Don't 2pr type hands check behind for a cheap showdown?

Stack sizes are really important here, as well as any idea on how villian plays.

Posted over 5 years ago

billyjex

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Why wouldn't you want him to bluff? I think this is a great spot to check-call, depending on the stack sizes and such.



I'm not sure what kind of hands villian can have here to bluff. At worst, he has a crappy ace. I don't think many villians are turning top pair into a bluff very much in this spot.

Of course, we don't have any reads, our image, nor stack sizes, so it's hard to really say much of anything.

Posted over 5 years ago

dohdohdoh

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Sorry guys for not giving more info.

Villain - no pokerhud stats.

He had full $200 stack at NL200, as did I.

I just felt he was drawing....and yes I agree I would normally bet 1/2 the pot on the river.....but here's my dilema - I'm SURE he has the flush. A small flush. Something like 10/9s etc. which would give him a gutshot straight draw also, making his calls worthwhile. So what do I do? If I am fairly certain I'm beat, checking means if he has a weak hand he can bluff. If I bet 1/2 the pot, I feel that's committing a lot of chips to a bad situation. So I go 1/3....'something is better than nothing' is how I felt and hoped he'd just call/fold.

OK, so the consensous is I should just bet 1/2 the pot on the river even though it reeks of flush chasing? Villain shoved VERY quickly...which indicates he had a strong hand.

My end move was...FOLD.

Posted over 5 years ago

Phresh

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Why wouldn't you want him to bluff? I think this is a great spot to check-call, depending on the stack sizes and such.



How does Villain get to the river with a bluffing hand? I'd either bet-fold or check-fold in this spot. I think I'd also prefer leading to check-raising, but that's because my personal leading range casts a shadow on my check-raising range (I should probably work to widen the latter).

Posted over 5 years ago




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