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SB is tricky LAG 28/23/2.4 and seems winning and thinking. He is probably one of the better players at the limit.
BB is a 34/9 fish.
I have a laggy image but we don't have any history so far.

SB ($456)
BB ($104)
CO ($424)
Hero ($394)

Dealt to Hero K A

fold, Hero raises to $10, SB calls $8, BB calls $6

FLOP ($30) J 6 7

SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

TURN ($30) J 6 7 3

SB checks, BB bets $25, Hero raises to $75, SB raises to $125, BB folds, Hero calls $50

RIVER ($305) J 6 7 3 Q

SB bets $268, Hero folds

Can we shove turn?

His line looks so weird. If he had anything good would he not be leading it on the flop or turn since the fish is in the pot? His raise size actually looks a little like a missclick to me...

Why did you raise the turn?

If he checks the turn with a strong hand again or not really depends on if he thinks you or the weaker player will take a lot of stabs. You didn't give any reads or stats for post flop on the weaker player so I don't know. But at least somewhat likely that the weaker player bets a lot on the turn.

why did you not cbet? just interested why you wouldn't with this board. otherwise I like a fold on river and flat bb's bet on turn. he did take a weird line but I think his value range is 2P 6,7 6,3s or 4,5 and his bluff range is wider .

Why did you raise the turn?

If he checks the turn with a strong hand again or not really depends on if he thinks you or the weaker player will take a lot of stabs. You didn't give any reads or stats for post flop on the weaker player so I don't know. But at least somewhat likely that the weaker player bets a lot on the turn.

I did raise the turn because I thought that the LAG would fold like 95+% of the time and the donk could stab " to see where he's at" and would probably fold to one or 2 barrels and I have decent equity against his calling range and can bluff some rivers.

The fish has an aggr. factor of 1.6 but only 90 hands. I don't know if the LAG has more hands on him but generally fish seems to be passive.

why did you not cbet? just interested why you wouldn't with this board. otherwise I like a fold on river and flat bb's bet on turn. he did take a weird line but I think his value range is 2P 6,7 6,3s or 4,5 and his bluff range is wider .

If his bluffrange is wider, why not shove the turn then?

if thinking and winning lag...you shove and get called ur drawing only to a diamond. seems like a -ev play imo for what is worth. turn shove isn't an awful play i guess just seems as though there are better opportunities to stack off. thanks.

I did raise the turn because I thought that the LAG would fold like 95+% of the time and the donk could stab " to see where he's at" and would probably fold to one or 2 barrels and I have decent equity against his calling range and can bluff some rivers.

The fish has an aggr. factor of 1.6 but only 90 hands. I don't know if the LAG has more hands on him but generally fish seems to be passive.

I don't think a turn raise is bad, but I prefer a call. The weaker player probably has quite a few pair+draws that are bet/calling the turn if he's bad enough. He's never folding Jx imo and bluffing the river becomes a bit sticky since we actually have the flush draw. AK is the best hand here vs the weaker player quite a bit and any A/K are good for us vs his range when we just call.

The reg in the SB on the other hand isn't gonna overcall with many hands once we call anyway. We rep 7x or a weak Jx well enough.

nes:
Flop is kind of whatever, I'm probably cbetting more often than not here since relative position is good and there are quite a lot of good 2barrel cards for us. But at the same time the board is fairly connected and not a ton of better hands are folding from the BB.

Turn shove really depends on fold equity.

wow i actually kinda think shoving the turn might be good...he knows you hardly ever have a nutted hand here unless you have exactly 33, since you checked the flop. and his minraise leaves him the perfect stack size for shoving the river. if he had a strong hand i see no reason why he would shut out the fish.

as played i almost wanna call river but i would hate to run into a small pp turned into a bluff or something like KQ

I'm never raising the turn but like Steve i'm rly tempted to either jam the turn once the LAG 3bets it or call this river

Good tricky opponents have a really strong range when they take this line, and you are crushed and I mean crushed bu his min 3beetting line on the turn.

Id call turn and fold any K or A river and call any non board pairing diamond. I think the turn raise is bad....

Good tricky opponents have a really strong range when they take this line, and you are crushed and I mean crushed bu his min 3beetting line on the turn.

Id call turn and fold any K or A river and call any non board pairing diamond. I think the turn raise is bad....

So you just flat the turn lead?

So you just flat the turn lead?

Yes.

Depending on how fishy he is you can make some Ahi calls on river too.

Yes.

Depending on how fishy he is you can make some Ahi calls on river too.

But please elaborate on your thoughts of why a turnraise is bad?

If the reg almost always is folding and the fish ain't that great a hand reader can't we push him of a lot of his onepair hands by raising river and firing the river?