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Real Life No Limit Grinder Pro: Episode Eight

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Real Life No Limit Grinder Pro: Episode Eight by WiltOnTilt

WiltOnTilt and WhiteHeatSYD wrap up their series. WhiteHeatSYD has been playing on his own and has selected a few 6max and HU hands to review with WiltOnTilt.

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This series will pick up the story of WhiteHeatSYD and focus on what it takes to make the leap to pro and what’s needed to keep your edge vs the other pros.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Mid Stakes
  • 58 minutes long
  • Posted over 3 years ago

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Crackmonkey

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599 posts
Joined 06/2009

Great series and good luck to you in whatever your future endeavors might be, WHS.

Posted over 3 years ago

Peesocake

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I enjoyed the series too. It has helped my game a great deal, and it has been entertaining to watch.
People seem to think WHS was lucky he got all this free coaching from WOT. The price he had to pay though was everybody following his results, and I'm sure that must have been hard. Most of the DC members don't out their screenname, that goes to show.
Also, this might be a partial reason for his tilt problem.

Perhaps another lesson to be learnt from this series is that you shouldn't go pro at too low a level, because the pressure becomes too great. That's why it's an excellent ending for the series, that WHS quits, or postpones the dream, by going back to work for a while. It means that even with a great coach by your side, you shouldn't rush things. This is important for all the people who one day dream of going pro: don't do it before you're ready.

Posted over 3 years ago

QuadDeuces

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1207 posts
Joined 09/2008

a lot of people see monkeytilt as dumb and stupid.



A lot of people see binge-drinking and binge-eating as dumb and stupid but most everyone does it sometimes. Ditto tilt. If tilt were so easy to control/eliminate we wouldn't be a nation of fatties either.

Posted over 3 years ago

TheGeek

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Hard luck to WhiteHeat, hope things pick up for you. One thing I would suggest is not to give up on Poker completely. There's more games to play than NL. Maybe you should look into learning HORSE or something, it would feel like a fresh start and you may be able to deal with the swings a bit better in a limit game. Obviously PLO is popular too but as someone who seemingly doesn't handle variance or swings well that may not be a good fit.

The other thing I'd like to say is that this series concept is obviously very popular among subscribers and was very well received despite things not working out for WhiteHeat. Hopefully the fact that things didn't work out so well for Alex won't dissuade DC from doing similar series to this in the future. Maybe lessons could be learned going forward in terms of trying to protect the players contributing by only making live videos on a secondary account on a different site to their normal games in order to protect them from the unwanted attention and pressure. Though in the poker community that might only be delaying the inevitable.

Posted about 3 years ago

Lex365

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Joined 02/2009

Why doesn't this guy learn to short stack they seem like a perfect match

Less variance
Less tilt inducing (seperate from the lower variance)
More mathematically rather than feel type plays
Is willing to put in the time/effort/hands
"you can win more full stacking" doesn't apply

The only negative is stigma, but it sounds like you're ego is already battered. It might not be the dream he had, but it's a pragmatic solution.

Posted about 3 years ago

TheGeek

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I'm pretty sure shortstacking would have more variance but the swings might not be as big financially because you're buying in short. And without meaning to sound holier than thou or anything but I don't think recommending or teaching people to shortstack is in keeping with the theme of DC.

Posted about 3 years ago

Harrythedog

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I watch vids to help me learn. This vid series helped me learn and what's more it entertained me a great deal as well.

If enough people were both taught and entertained then I'm putting this down as a top quality series.

Quite separately...we wish Alex well. Why would we want to do anything else?

I would suggest that his success/failure is totally irrelevant to the objective of the series and therefore much of this thread seems to be a waste of space.

If Alex and WoT want to do another series in a few more months then I'm a keen potential viewer...and if he can make some money then so much the better.

Posted about 3 years ago

WiltOnTilt

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I watch vids to help me learn. This vid series helped me learn and what's more it entertained me a great deal as well.

If enough people were both taught and entertained then I'm putting this down as a top quality series.

Quite separately...we wish Alex well. Why would we want to do anything else?

I would suggest that his success/failure is totally irrelevant to the objective of the series and therefore much of this thread seems to be a waste of space.

If Alex and WoT want to do another series in a few more months then I'm a keen potential viewer...and if he can make some money then so much the better.




Thanks Harry and all who have provided positive reinforcement for Alex and me in this series. For those who thought we fell a bit short, i'll keep your comments in mind for future mentoring videos.

WoT

Posted about 3 years ago

caperbii

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Whiteheat, this series was great first.

My oppinion (and its just 1 oppinion) is that you are doing the right thing by going back to work...

Why? You took the leap to going pro and it kinda seems that in your eyes you have failed. You have tried for what? A few months? Going back to work for 3 months is going to clear your mind and give you a more clear perspective on the situation. I believe, that within one month away from the pressure of 'being pro' you will dive right back in fully refreshed.

You stated that you put a ton of effort into the mental side of it but sometimes the only thing that works is some space from the game.

You absolutely have the work ethic to succeed in this profession. Take a break. You are only at the very start of your pro career. Don't take JD's oppinion to heart. Its only one oppinion. 10-1 will support you.

Good Luck!

Posted about 3 years ago

lost turist

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nick26

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great series guys,
i really got a lot out of the whole experiance, great job alex and wilt

Posted about 3 years ago

SONY888

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I hope alex and wot will somehow read this, I learned a lot from both series. Alex worked very hard and he improved as a poker player tremendously. There are probably thousands of break even/losing and even a lot of winning players grinding away who wish they could get a job making even half of what you make but they arent able to find a decent job. Many winning poker player have quit poker to do something else. Also poker is constantly evolving, you have already learned more than 99% of the players in the old Doyle Brunson days. Some variances in poker can literally last over a lifetime(its possible to be a great mtt tourny player and never win a tourny in your whole life) well anyways thanks again take care gg gl

Posted about 3 years ago

HoloPainen

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Joined 01/2009

I watched both series and I've learned a lot from it. Alex had very good questions and WoT's answers were clear and accurate and put order in our confused postflop mentality what a lot of us ssnl guys have. I think I made plenty of $ thanks to the knowledge I got out from this series and that's what matters, that is the goal of this site.

Posted about 3 years ago

WiltOnTilt

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doc.lemon

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Thanks for the comments guys.



Agreed, good series, and especially the first one helped me a lot Smile

WHS obviously pointed his focus in the wrong direction, if he ever watched Tommy Angelo's series and acted on it for at least a month I will eat my hat. He would never shut up about the brutal months and how bad he was running (he even said it in the last episode), and you should have slapped his face WOT as thats part of poker.
You got it in you, but there are people like WHS and me who need to learn consistency and to understand the stupidity of bringing in negative emotion because of variance by practice, and in that aspect you have not been the ideal coach for WHS.A former spazztard whiner turned solid guy without emotion like Tommy would do wonders with WHS (who now probably quit for good right?)

I would love this series to continue, just with a different pro - and please next time choose someone without a high grossing Job. A student dropout going all in at NL50 or from one of lower GDP countries would be really awesome, as he would have to win/get better or go to Maccy D's.
Someone with poker as the best plausible potential career choice would make a hell of a story.

Posted almost 3 years ago




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