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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by WiltOnTilt (Mid Stakes)

yay i made it into my first DC video....i was "the guy who doesnt fold alot" (s33ds) at the top right...apparently that cost me because shortly after this video...i hit a nasty downswing tilt episode and lost pretty much my entire roll much like whiteheat...i felt like i was getting completely run over and targeted by everyone at this level. whats the minimum bankroll you suggest for this level?i need a coach...

great video guys
i have a question about the 78o on 663r when we opt not to cbet(near the end of the vid 1h:10m).
doesnt a 17/14 have a pocket pair nearly everytime when he calls OOP?

Seems like a good idea. Gives space for further improvement. Will we see anything of you in the next season? Maybe one where your playing?

Hi Alexandre,

You'll definitely see me next season in some capacity, if it's not in a series it will be in some ghost or duel vids. We need to give alex some time to digest, learn, and experience 1/2nl before we move him to 2/4nl, but I intend on continuing the series with him into mid stakes sometime in 2009 so stay tuned!

WoT

1. AQ hand - In my opinion, I would be more likely to fold the AQ hand with 2 people in the pot. The reason is that with two fishier players being in the pot, even strong draws have you flipping or at least they have quite a bit of equity to shove. Also, a lot of times I feel you are behind so what I would probably do, is bet a little smaller, say 45 or 42 on the flop and fold if shoved...if called take it from there.

2. QJ hand - On the JQ hand I would be more likely to bet call it off because in a 3 bet pot, especially with that guy just flatting, he could have so many draws and I wouldn't be too worried about a set. I also believe that an overpair is really unlikely in this situation, I think even a fish would be more likely to 3 bet queens and call it off there. Too many times I see guys with mid pairs and draws shoving over cbets with flops like one high card and two low's, just because they figure their 10 10, or even mid pair to be good there enough. Also many draws shove over you there so I would pretty much snap call it off and just forget about the hand if he ends up dominating you and move on. It's a tough spot but again in a 3 bet pot to a guy who flatted twice I am very rarely folding top pair decent kicker.

Just my opinions but I'd like to hear what other people think, maybe my reasoning could improve.

Cheers.

Hi psstsaygirl, i think your reasoning is mostly sound, but it helps to put some pokerstoving to work :-) Alex and I just got done recording saturday's episode and I go on and on about pokerstoving, so perhaps after you see some of that next week you can revisit this situation and try it... compare it to the pot odds we're getting and see just how loose the range has to be to be happy to get it in there. I'm not saying bet/calling is necessarily wrong, it just depends on the range. You have to be careful about making generalizations like people's range is "wide" or range is "tight" without defining what wide and tight means in terms of the various hands he can have and what our equity looks like vs those hands.

I certainly am not trying to dog you for it, heck, you see it all over the place on poker forums... just want to point out that digging into pokerstove and finding the crux of where the difference is between calling and folding in terms of a hand range really makes a big difference in helping a person's hand reading and mental equity estimations.

But good post and thoughts overall. Thanks for posting them!

WoT

yay i made it into my first DC video....i was "the guy who doesnt fold alot" (s33ds) at the top right...apparently that cost me because shortly after this video...i hit a nasty downswing tilt episode and lost pretty much my entire roll much like whiteheat...i felt like i was getting completely run over and targeted by everyone at this level. whats the minimum bankroll you suggest for this level?i need a coach...

Hi kbrinson85,

Congrats on making your first video appearance :-)

I would say a minimum bankroll of $6,000 for 1/2nl would be prudent, and that assumes you're a solid winning regular. If you're not certain about your edge in these games, you might want a bigger roll (smaller edge = bigger variance). If you're prone to tilt a lot or you don't have any edge at all in these games then no bankroll will be sufficient. We recorded this vid so long ago I can't recall how you were playing so I can't really comment on what I think your edge is. Keep watching videos and working hard and stick to the DC forums and I'm sure you will be well on your way :-)

WoT

great video guys
i have a question about the 78o on 663r when we opt not to cbet(near the end of the vid 1h:10m).
doesnt a 17/14 have a pocket pair nearly everytime when he calls OOP?

Hi shark_fishin, great question.

He will have a pocket pair a lot, but doubtful almost every time. Remember the hand combinations part of Mathematics of NL HOld'em? Let's say he has every pocket pair in his range, from 22-TT and he c/c's all of them. How many combos of each is there?

If you're not sure, list them out

2s2c
2s2h
2s2d
2d2h
2d2c
2h2c

so 6 ways for each pocket pair except for 33 and 66 (1 and 3 combos of those) so 7 pairs * 6 combos = 42 combos + 4 set/fullhouse = 46 combos.

Now think of 2 unpaired cards, such as a hand like AJ that he might defend, do you remember how many combos there are? With unpaired hands there are 4 aces x 4 jacks = 16 combos. That means he needs to have only about 3 unpaired hands in his range there with all those pocket pairs to make our cbet profitable (3 * 16 = 48).

You can see real quickly that if he only has say KQ, AJ, QJ in his calling range there, we are correct to cbet. In practice I think we can all agree his range is much wider than that, even from a tight guy.

The other benefit is, even when he has some of those pocket pairs, we can barrel him off those hands.

Hope that makes some sense. Yes it's a little bit oversimplified because sometimes he might c/r bluff with one of those hands or sometimes he might c/c with A high etc, but I think when you break it down into the basics of hand combos we can see that a continuation bet should be profitable there even against a fairly tight player.

WoT

Hi Alexandre,

You'll definitely see me next season in some capacity, if it's not in a series it will be in some ghost or duel vids. We need to give alex some time to digest, learn, and experience 1/2nl before we move him to 2/4nl, but I intend on continuing the series with him into mid stakes sometime in 2009 so stay tuned!

WoT

From my point of view, after discussing with Aaron. This is the most plus EV situation. Over the last 2 series I have learnt so much, and am still trying to get all of this in order. I would rather play to much 200nl, and then move up. Than play too little and move up, to keep the series moving. The swings are large at 400nl, and need to be rolled for those. I also feel that I wouldn’t be ready for 400nl this year. I will keep my blog up to date and will still be posting on the forums. Aaron and I also have some off camera time booked in, so the mentoring will continue in some form or another. Unluckily for Aaron he can’t get rid of me that easily………

Another thing that I want to have time to do is go through all of the videos we have done, and check there is nothing I have missed!!

Hi shark_fishin, great question.

He will have a pocket pair a lot, but doubtful almost every time. Remember the hand combinations part of Mathematics of NL HOld'em? Let's say he has every pocket pair in his range, from 22-TT and he c/c's all of them. How many combos of each is there?

If you're not sure, list them out

2s2c
2s2h
2s2d
2d2h
2d2c
2h2c

so 6 ways for each pocket pair except for 33 and 66 (1 and 3 combos of those) so 7 pairs * 6 combos = 42 combos + 4 set/fullhouse = 46 combos.

Now think of 2 unpaired cards, such as a hand like AJ that he might defend, do you remember how many combos there are? With unpaired hands there are 4 aces x 4 jacks = 16 combos. That means he needs to have only about 3 unpaired hands in his range there with all those pocket pairs to make our cbet profitable (3 * 16 = 48).

You can see real quickly that if he only has say KQ, AJ, QJ in his calling range there, we are correct to cbet. In practice I think we can all agree his range is much wider than that, even from a tight guy.

The other benefit is, even when he has some of those pocket pairs, we can barrel him off those hands.

Hope that makes some sense. Yes it's a little bit oversimplified because sometimes he might c/r bluff with one of those hands or sometimes he might c/c with A high etc, but I think when you break it down into the basics of hand combos we can see that a continuation bet should be profitable there even against a fairly tight player.

WoT

ah, i understand.
thanks very much

32:00 Squeezed with QJs vs CO open and BU call - J58 two tone flop

This hand rates to have a lot of post-flop value and squeezing with QJ pf isn't going to be for value very often. All the discussion about what to do post-flop on a J-high flop and possibly folding it seems to suggest even more evidence on why we should be just calling with it pre-flop and playing poker with more of our stacks left behind. I mean, if the pot is very big and we flop TP and it's a tough decision between calling and folding, something could have been done better.

My question here is what would YOU do as the villain if you suddenly found yourself on this flop with 67 or 9T (the SD's)? Are we putting WHS on the pure squeeze and jamming here or just folding as we're not sure what our FE is?

What about if we got to the flop with 1)Ax (not Q) hearts? 2) AKo? 3) KJ? Would it be something like shove, fold, shove or call and get it in on the turn? (Pretend we had no control over how we got in this spot )

Great series. Thanks guys!

Hey Alex can u pls send me the FT mods u used in this video? The table and the cards...