WiltOnTilt
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IN the hand in question (A7o) would you call with 2 pair/set?
You say,"top pair and a set are the same relative hand strength in this spot"..but it seems he could be, given his recent agro-ness, pushing 2 pair for value on the river.
I misspoke, you're right, he def can shove 2pair here.
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HoloPainen
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in the AK hand on the AAx board vs a the fishy (based on stacksize) player isn't it better to just check and give him a rope than betting, as our bet will fold out a lot of his airs and we don't have to care about balance in this spot? If he has Ax the money will go in anyway, vs underpairs we won't get more than 2 streets of value anyway so we can bet turn bet river vs those?
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WiltOnTilt
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in the AK hand on the AAx board vs a the fishy (based on stacksize) player isn't it better to just check and give him a rope than betting, as our bet will fold out a lot of his airs and we don't have to care about balance in this spot? If he has Ax the money will go in anyway, vs underpairs we won't get more than 2 streets of value anyway so we can bet turn bet river vs those?
i dont really agree that for less than 100bb effective stacks that fish are getting away from pocket pairs here when $ goes in on 3 streets, but if you truly think so then it's probably best to just size your flop cbet such that you can get the rest of the $ in on the turn, instead of going for the 3 small bets like we did in the video.
it's also worth pointing out that vs some fish, betting small like we did is giving them rope too...
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RiverCTO
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I know this is a rather nothing hand, but can you go into detail about why you continuation bet a medium strength hand against an opponent who has shown the propensity to bet/raise with almost his entire range. Specifically, what are you going to do if he raises. Thoughts on checking behind and turning your hand into a bluff catcher.
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WiltOnTilt
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I know this is a rather nothing hand, but can you go into detail about why you continuation bet a medium strength hand against an opponent who has shown the propensity to bet/raise with almost his entire range. Specifically, what are you going to do if he raises. Thoughts on checking behind and turning your hand into a bluff catcher.
very happy to bet/call here. You said it yourself, he can checkraise with his entire range. He's playing loose and he's 3betting a lot, and given he's 3betting a lot, most of the medium/strong aces he might want to go for "thin" value with checkraising won't even be in his flatting range pre, so QJ is basically the nuts when we get checkraised. Even if he does have some weak aces in his c/r range, it's not all that bad given he can and will have plenty of gutshots, and it's pretty unlikely he will c/r flop, bet turn and bet river with something like TPNK... so it really won't even cost us that much to get to showdown.
Checking behind and using your hand as a bluff catcher is OK vs maniac/bad players who can't read hands but it's no good vs anyone good. I can't recall how good this guy was but it's possible it could have been an OK plan with this hand.
Hope that helps!
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galacticrewind
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Checking behind and using your hand as a bluff catcher is OK vs maniac/bad players who can't read hands but it's no good vs anyone good. I can't recall how good this guy was but it's possible it could have been an OK plan with this hand.
If you were to use QJ as a bluff catcher in this spot vs an aggressive player who is good, how would that be bad for you? What are the negative results from doing something like this?
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WiltOnTilt
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If you were to use QJ as a bluff catcher in this spot vs an aggressive player who is good, how would that be bad for you? What are the negative results from doing something like this?
your hand is just face up when you check it behind. you have to ask yourself if he knows that and what he's willing to do about it. is he willing to try to bluff you off a hand that is obvious or does he think because your hand is obviously weak that means you'll have to call?
it's just one of those things where depending on each level each player is on, either cbet it or checking it behind and bluff catching is ok, but there are some players who simply will not try to bluff you when you check behind AQxr as it's a spot where it's so easy to just click call twice with whatever you checked behind (and some ppl will check behind TPNK here too etc)
Also it can hurt your cbet range and make it easier for them to c/c you with underpairs and any Q when your range is like good aces and air.
against the actual guy, betting flop is superior for reasons stated in the above post.
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