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hello i m stuck for years at nl100/200, (last 4 months i am 2.3BB/100 at nl100 and 1.5BB/100 at nl200), so i ask advices to better players

maybe one reason is i do not adapt well to 3bet, i mostly 4bet or fold oop and ip....

i fold to 3bet around 68% that makes a 3 bet with any 2 cards ev+...,i call 3bet 21% (i thougt it was less...mostly with good braodways ip or 99-JJ) and i 4bet 11%
can you give me a guideline to know when call vs 3 bet > 4bet > fold and which frequency, in fact how do you construct your ranges vs 3bet
i would be glad to have links to videos / article or anything interesting since i already works it and never arrived to something good (my changes were to 4bet a lot more)
thanks and have a nice day
ps what will be your 3bet strategy vs a player like me?

Basically hands that i cant 4 bet for value with i flat in position. How often i flat depends on there 3 bet range.
If im on the BTN and the SB 3 bets me with a 15% 3 bet range in this spot, im flatting with hands like KTs, J9s, A8s, QJs etc. If he plays very fit or fold post flop i might call with some hands like 78s but generally if they are aggressive postflop this is a bad call because we will have to fold to much or make a very marginal play with our stack.

i thanks for your answer

Basically hands that i cant 4 bet for value with i flat in position.

i like to 4bet QK because of blockers, you don"t only 4bet for value you also 4bet light so how do you decide if you put the hand in the fold/ call 3bet or 4bet range?

. How often i flat depends on there 3 bet range.
If im on the BTN and the SB 3 bets me with a 15% 3 bet range in this spot, im flatting with hands like KTs, J9s, A8s, QJs etc. If he plays very fit or fold post flop i might call with some hands like 78s but generally if they are aggressive postflop this is a bad call because we will have to fold to much or make a very marginal play with our stack. .

can you give me the idea to to the math to know which % i have to defend (call + 4bet), i do not know how to do, and again why is it better to call A8s than 4bet even ip? it's very difficult to play ip, at least for me
thanks

i thanks for your answer


i like to 4bet QK because of blockers, you don"t only 4bet for value you also 4bet light so how do you decide if you put the hand in the fold/ call 3bet or 4bet range?


can you give me the idea to to the math to know which % i have to defend (call + 4bet), i do not know how to do, and again why is it better to call A8s than 4bet even ip? it's very difficult to play ip, at least for me
thanks

I dont know about math but just open up pokerstove and put in different %. Like type in 15% and then form a more realistic polarized range.

I dont agree with 4 betting with KQ i think this is bad. If you get 5 bet and you are snap calling the your 4 bet was correct because you think it has good enough equity vs his range.
Its a complete waste of a good hand if you are 4 betting to make villain fold and imo its much better to flat and play post flop.
If villian knows you are the 4 betting with hands like KQ he can start jamming on your with a wider range effectively taking away your ability to play your top non nut hands.

This is all assuming that we are IP and that villain does not call 4bets with any relevant frequency.

Against a tight range (5-6% in is those positions) I normally don't have much of a flatting range (unless the SPR allows me to flat PPs). And I never 4bet/fold. I simply just stick it in with JJ+, AK

As villain's range gets wider I flat with :
(7%) AQs, AJs, ATs, AQo, TT-88, KQs, KJs, KTs
(8%) QJs, AJo, KQo, QTs, A9s, 77
(10%) QTs, ATo, JTs, KJo,
(12%) T9s, A8s, K9s
(15%) ... you should get the idea by now

If villain 3bets a non-linear range I will start to flat A LOT more hands. One of the best ways to make that observation is to look at the hands villain flats vs our steals.

My range for 4bet/folding is normally just outside the range above: A9o, KTo, A8o, QJo

If we have additional information about say villain's 5bet range I might put AQs, AJs, TT-77 into my 4bet/call range (but that is only against very aggro players and in HU). Against players who 3bet/fold too much I will expand my 4bet/fold range.

F23b should most likely be pretty high. As long as we construct our defending range as a function of how wide we get 3bet it is impossible for villain to exploit us. As a rule of thumb we should be able to continue (flat+4bet) with slightly more hands than villain is 3 betting.

If villain 3bets a non-linear range I will start to flat A LOT more hands. One of the best ways to make that observation is to look at the hands villain flats vs our steals.

I really like this wording

thanks very much both, a lot to think about...i will work a litlle on it with excel and pokerstove and come back (of course other advices will be greatly appreciated)
just improva when you speak of linear range you speak of depolarized ex 7% 88+,ATs+,KTs+,QJs,AQo+
and polarized 7% would be QQ+,AKs,AKo,A6o-A2o
?
have a nice day

thanks very much both, a lot to think about...i will work a litlle on it with excel and pokerstove and come back (of course other advices will be greatly appreciated)
just improva when you speak of linear range you speak of depolarized ex 7% 88+,ATs+,KTs+,QJs,AQo+
and polarized 7% would be QQ+,AKs,AKo,A6o-A2o
?
have a nice day

A range is said to be linear when there are no gaps. My flatting range is linear. My 4bet range is non-linear.

A polarized range is non-linear. But a non-linear range does not have to be polarized. The reason I try not to use the word polarized is because it suggests that a part of the range has no or very little equity which is incorrect in most situations. You actually gave a good example. A6o-A2o have plenty of equity against most calling ranges.

ok thanks a lot

This is all assuming that we are IP and that villain does not call 4bets with any relevant frequency.

Against a tight range (5-6% in is those positions) I normally don't have much of a flatting range (unless the SPR allows me to flat PPs). And I never 4bet/fold. I simply just stick it in with JJ+, AK

As villain's range gets wider I flat with :
(7%) AQs, AJs, ATs, AQo, TT-88, KQs, KJs, KTs
(8%) QJs, AJo, KQo, QTs, A9s, 77
(10%) QTs, ATo, JTs, KJo,
(12%) T9s, A8s, K9s
(15%) ... you should get the idea by now

If villain 3bets a non-linear range I will start to flat A LOT more hands. One of the best ways to make that observation is to look at the hands villain flats vs our steals.

My range for 4bet/folding is normally just outside the range above: A9o, KTo, A8o, QJo

If we have additional information about say villain's 5bet range I might put AQs, AJs, TT-77 into my 4bet/call range (but that is only against very aggro players and in HU). Against players who 3bet/fold too much I will expand my 4bet/fold range.

F23b should most likely be pretty high. As long as we construct our defending range as a function of how wide we get 3bet it is impossible for villain to exploit us. As a rule of thumb we should be able to continue (flat+4bet) with slightly more hands than villain is 3 betting.

Excellent post.

Against a tight range (5-6% ....

As villain's range gets wider I flat with :
(7%) AQs, AJs, ATs, AQo, TT-88, KQs, KJs, KTs
(8%) QJs, AJo, KQo, QTs, A9s, 77
(10%) QTs, ATo, JTs, KJo,
(12%) T9s, A8s, K9s
(15%) ... you should get the idea by now.

to be sure you speak of range % and not 3bet % because i 3bet a range of 12-14% in blindes and my 3bet stats is 7-8%?
that means to undestand your guideline i have to adjust the 3 bet % stat of my opponent with position/ situation
thanks again

Yes, i dont think improva agrees with the term polarized.

to be sure you speak of range % and not 3bet % because i 3bet a range of 12-14% in blindes and my 3bet stats is 7-8%?
that means to undestand your guideline i have to adjust the 3 bet % stat of my opponent with position/ situation
thanks again

Correct

F23b should most likely be pretty high. As long as we construct our defending range as a function of how wide we get 3bet it is impossible for villain to exploit us. As a rule of thumb we should be able to continue (flat+4bet) with slightly more hands than villain is 3 betting.

this is the key. Lots of people construct their defending range based on the so called "GTO" frequency as in if I don't defend x% of my range, villain can 3bet me with ATC. As you can probably see now how stupid that is when someone is only 3betting you 7% of the times.

Advice please on specific 3 betting situation:

I find recently this is happening to me a lot. I am a TAG player - 3 bet of 9%. Some sessions I may 3 bet a bit too much from the BB.

I am BB. Good reg on btn.

He opens for 2.5x, I 3 bet to 8.5x, he 4 bets to 20x.

I have AQo, or 77 - I don;t feel comfortable jamming these hands, and sometimes I will call here - flop doesnt hit me, good reg wins nice pot.

I suppose I should be jamming these hands pre flop???