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Hello everyone,

I'am recently moving up to 400nl and would like a line check.

CO is a laggish (maybe fishy) reg who folds a lot against 3bets (67%)
SB is a good reg
BB seems to be loose and fishy (56/28), has not folded yet on any street and has a pretty high agg factor (4.0) But only 20 hands

SB: $503.56
BB: $1126.14
CO: $392.00
Hero (BTN): $406.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BTN with Q 5
CO raises to $8, Hero raises to $24, 1 fold, BB calls $20, CO calls $16

Flop: ($74.00) 8 Q 7 (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $48.00, BB raises to $112, CO folds, Hero calls $64

Turn: ($298.00) 7 (2 players)
BB bets $270.00, Hero calls $270 all in

River: ($838.00) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)


Flopplay? Raise, fold, call? (Not cbet?)

Post results later

fold, fold, fold. its not even close to me.

don't you think that fish still have a very wide range on the flop in such a small 3bet pot? draws, middle pair, random air..

That was the reason I cbet, because of the fish

I think it is well played up to the turn as you have position. Turn is a fold, you doit beat anything in his value range and fish can have 7x and usually don not ship draws in 3bet pots on bricking turns. If he checked turn value betting probably is ok.

don't you think that fish still have a very wide range on the flop in such a small 3bet pot? draws, middle pair, random air..

That was the reason I cbet, because of the fish

What kind of fish is he? Slow player/ over bettor/spew bluffer?

What kind of fish is he? Slow player/ over bettor/spew bluffer?

I only have 20 hands on the fish. So I don't know.

CO is a laggish (maybe fishy) reg who folds a lot against 3bets (67%)

Getting the money all in is a mistake then.

Check flop AINEC. ( I would also check aton of bluffs)

You probably wanted to protect yourself against A/K, but ask yourself: are you happy to get it in 100 bbs deep with TPNK in this pot? If you are not, check the flop for pot control.

seems like a clear check on flop. try to get to SD.

as played I fold without info. I don´t think youre good often enough to call.

[quote]Getting the money all in is a mistake then.

Check flop AINEC. ( I would also check aton of bluffs)[/quote]

CO already folded

[quote]You probably wanted to protect yourself against A/K,[quote]

I pretty much disregard AK off his range. Almost never see people not reraising AK with such al small 3bet 4way.


Is still think Cbet is pretty fine (ranges are still very wide on flop), but when raised it becomes pretty thin to shove or call for value. (against almost unknown players) btw he had KQoff

Another question: If we had AQ or KQ in this spot it becomes a happy dance get it in right? Where do we draw the line?

CO already folded

He didnt preflop and you arent happy about getting a lot of money in postflop vs either the CO or BB so theres no need to bet flop. Its actually a really easy flop check with a ton of your range just because your range is a lot weaker than theirs, and balancing flop by betting with lots of your range and never folding TP is way worse in EV terms than just checking flop with bluffs and value hands.

EDIT: I would probs check AQ here a decent amount too tho AQ is different from Q5 because we beat KQ, and draw with AQ which both can have.

Bet flop to get some value. Just realized you're not going for 3 streets of value here. I like betting flop to a) clear up the hand, defining your opponents range b) You allow yourself to have more options in later streets, if you decide to 3 barrel as a bluff etc.For example, if the situation the fish calls, you can check turn, and call river since the fish can have a lot of busted draws etc.

Once you got raised on the flop tho, just fold...

Betting the flop is mistake because you will almost always get called or raised and lose the hand later on anyway.

okay thanks guys for the input, really appreciate it.

Getting the money all in is a mistake then.

Check flop AINEC. ( I would also check aton of bluffs)

both are fishes, so valance is not important and there is still a ton of value vs. fishes` callingranges.
Once the BB C/Raises you, I would be cautious because i think that fiishes do not spazz as often when it is 3-way in a big pot.
Still don`t mind the call IP with these odd and the fact that fishes will often enough show you what they have OTT by their actions or better expressed, their ranges will be better defined oftentimes after their turnaction.