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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by BalugaWhale (Mid Stakes)

Time Link to 00:17:51

I highly doubt that shoving the turn with KcQc is the best option. and even so he is very aggressive, he has a lot of hands that he can continue his aggression with and which he won't fold to a shove. As4s is 84/16 in his favour, while a hand like 8s7s is at 41/59. So in order to make a shove +ev you need a lot of FE which I simply don't see.

But, I have no problem to be proven here wrong, because I would always fold the turn and making a better play in the future helps. So, what exact type of range do you put him on?

Time Link to 00:29:56

it's D

JT is the worst hand in our range on that board runout, so we want to bet it the same amount we would bet with our strongest hand, which would be 76 for the straight. even so 55 is beating close to all of his hands, it looses to exactly 76 (which he won't always have as played, but that's not the most important consideration), the betting relation would be more like 76|JT>55|QT.

even so I might not be completly correct here, it's clearly not A, C or E.

edit:
of course we can exploit our opponent if we know how he plays by for example betting bigger with bluffs and less with value hands or if he always calls any amount by not bluffing and shoving. but in this example we don't have those type of reads, that's why I made the statement

it's D

JT is the worst hand in our range on that board runout, so we want to bet it the same amount we would bet with our strongest hand, which would be 76 for the straight. even so 55 is beating close to all of his hands, it looses to exactly 76 (which he won't always have as played, but that's not the most important consideration), the betting relation would be more like 76|JT>55|QT.

even so I might not be completly correct here, it's clearly not A, C or E.

edit:
of course we can exploit our opponent if we know how he plays by for example betting bigger with bluffs and less with value hands or if he always calls any amount by not bluffing and shoving. but in this example we don't have those type of reads, that's why I made the statement

The point of that question is that, with no equity (on the river) it must be incorrect to bet the same amount with both value bets and bluffs (unless some very weird stuff is happening-- i.e. he calls with top pair if you bet 25 and folds ace high, but he calls Ace hi and folds top pair if you bet 24, etc.).

Andrew

I highly doubt that shoving the turn with KcQc is the best option. and even so he is very aggressive, he has a lot of hands that he can continue his aggression with and which he won't fold to a shove. As4s is 84/16 in his favour, while a hand like 8s7s is at 41/59. So in order to make a shove +ev you need a lot of FE which I simply don't see.

But, I have no problem to be proven here wrong, because I would always fold the turn and making a better play in the future helps. So, what exact type of range do you put him on?

This may not have been the most ideal example, but the problem lies with equity. The more bad hands your opponent plays, the better KQ's equity is. A4s is pretty close to the worst case scenario for us.

Against loose aggressive opponents, I think you might be surprised how much fold equity you really have, though.

Andrew

This may not have been the most ideal example, but the problem lies with equity. The more bad hands your opponent plays, the better KQ's equity is. A4s is pretty close to the worst case scenario for us.

Against loose aggressive opponents, I think you might be surprised how much fold equity you really have, though.

Andrew

I think if the hand started 150bbs+ deep, then this might be a better example. I just don't see villain folding here to basically a minraise with anything he bets on this turn. I also think the majority of his bluffing range has a lot of equity and won't fold to a shove either.

Time Link to 00:23:12

Equity reasons for raising make sense. The terms info raising and bluffing with the best hand make me cringe. I think you are doing both. Maybe all of them together make the raise good. Plus you make less big mistakes this way later in the hand do to the info you will have how he reacted (Shit let's be honest this is a info raise =( )

Time Link to 00:30:35

F) First time around over bet as bluff and value bet 2/3. People play scared vs over bets and fold too much. Keep doing this until one of your obs gets called and then switch it around.

The point of that question is that, with no equity (on the river) it must be incorrect to bet the same amount with both value bets and bluffs (unless some very weird stuff is happening-- i.e. he calls with top pair if you bet 25 and folds ace high, but he calls Ace hi and folds top pair if you bet 24, etc.).

Andrew

if you don't know his frequency (which we don't know atm!) you should bet that amount that gives him a +-0 decision. so betting the same amount with bluffs and with value bets is the best option (->balancing).

like I said, once you have the information what type of player he is, if he calls like always on the river, then you can adjust and never bluff on the river or if he always folds to big bets, you bet big with bluffs and smaller with vbets etc

if you don't know his frequency (which we don't know atm!) you should bet that amount that gives him a +-0 decision. so betting the same amount with bluffs and with value bets is the best option (->balancing).

like I said, once you have the information what type of player he is, if he calls like always on the river, then you can adjust and never bluff on the river or if he always folds to big bets, you bet big with bluffs and smaller with vbets etc

You always have a guess

Andrew

in the hand where you advocate for a flop bet/3 bet with our 99 on the 852 board out of position, do you think leading any turn would be your line if villain flats our 3bet on the flop (presumably with most of his range i.e. TT+, 8x,76, 34, 5x, QJ, etc.)? I know you said that he is only repping sets here, but isn't he taking the same line with hands like this? or do you still put him on a set if he ends up flatting our flop 3bet instead of these hands (possibly 4betting the flop with these previously mentioned weaker hands)?
in any case, the hand gets way more interesting/gross if he flats on the flop to our 3 bet and i was just wondering where you would go from there/ what you would put him on.
...and thanks for all your great vids and posts andrew

in the hand where you advocate for a flop bet/3 bet with our 99 on the 852 board out of position, do you think leading any turn would be your line if villain flats our 3bet on the flop (presumably with most of his range i.e. TT+, 8x,76, 34, 5x, QJ, etc.)? I know you said that he is only repping sets here, but isn't he taking the same line with hands like this? or do you still put him on a set if he ends up flatting our flop 3bet instead of these hands (possibly 4betting the flop with these previously mentioned weaker hands)?
in any case, the hand gets way more interesting/gross if he flats on the flop to our 3 bet and i was just wondering where you would go from there/ what you would put him on.
...and thanks for all your great vids and posts andrew

Well, if I think he's flatting my 4-bets with QJ, 34, 5x, etc, 3-betting for value starts to seem pretty good! I'd probably c/c (or c/r) turn if that was the case.

Andrew

Time Link to 00:53:46

I think this is an interesting spot that comes up often vs. fish. I'm just kind of thinking out loud here but my first inclination was that we should just shove OTR. Obviously, this will depend on a few things, such as how wide his preflop range is and also his postflop tendencies. I just often see a decent amount of weaker players who will call really wide OTF and OTT and then fold when they see a big river bet. If we think he still has a lot of weak made hands that will fold OTR, along with missed draws, then jamming river might make sense. Especially if we don't think we can profitably ch/c river. The problem then becomes if we jam and he calls and shows us A5s or something. Like I said, just thinking out loud, and I'd like to know your thoughts on this. It always helps to have reads and I'm just trying to think about how we should be playing these spots vs. various fishy types. I think it's really important to understand that not all bad-passives play the same and we should adjust accordingly. Ok, done rambling.

Time Link to 00:23:19

So if you are advocating a 3bet here with 99 I guess we could might as well do it with any hand? I mean AK or any overcards are just as good then if we only want him to fold out his bluffs (equity) right?

Or could 99 be better in the sense that we do have 2 possible outs if he flats our raise with a set?