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DC Shorts: BalugaWhale (#21) - The Argument for Floating

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DC Shorts: BalugaWhale (#21) - The Argument for Floating by BalugaWhale

BalugaWhale discusses the argument for floating.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Mid Stakes
  • 15 minutes long
  • Posted about 1 year ago

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CheckBehind

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Hey mate.
Fantastic series of shorts. Keep up the good work.

Posted about 1 year ago

prestonp

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Hey Andrew,

I'm curious as to what you thought of my advice in ]this hand.

Basically the hero had a vulnerable hand in position against a villain with a wide range. He elected to call and evaluate street by street, but I worried about creating passive dead money an aggressive opponent might steal on a scary board.

That is to say, I think when we are floating with equity, it's good when we have a clearly drawing equity hand like straights and flushes then a top pair on a weak board type of hand.

Thoughts?

Posted about 1 year ago

BalugaWhale

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Hey Andrew,

I'm curious as to what you thought of my advice in ]this hand.

Basically the hero had a vulnerable hand in position against a villain with a wide range. He elected to call and evaluate street by street, but I worried about creating passive dead money an aggressive opponent might steal on a scary board.

That is to say, I think when we are floating with equity, it's good when we have a clearly drawing equity hand like straights and flushes then a top pair on a weak board type of hand.

Thoughts?


passive guy check-raises in a limped pot and we're supposed to 3-ball the flop with top pair? seems pretty bad off the top of my head.

basically, when we're "floating" we're really just delaying our bluff, which is only going to work against guys that will fold (either people willing to fold strong hands OR people with wide ranges full of weak hands that will fold). So, if we call a bet with top pair, for example, we're probably not "floating" because we're probably not "bluffing" (though i may often "float" the turn with top pair if I think I'm probably getting thin-valued, planning on making a river move).

Hope that helps
Andrew

Posted about 1 year ago

prestonp

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He wasn't passive. He was aggressive. He had a wide range. He was called down and showed up with a naked gutshot. My problem with the calldown is that there were many draws on the board, and if our hero folds when one comes in and the bet is large, then we've lost to his aggression.

So when we have hands that we figure are good against his range, the question is 3-bet or call? Which is the question your talking about In this video. So if we're against a aggressive opponent (not sure where you got passive from) with a vulnerable hand on a draw heavy board, do you call or try to win it there?

Or has this stopped being a floating discussion because we have top pair?

Posted about 1 year ago

BalugaWhale

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He wasn't passive. He was aggressive. He had a wide range. He was called down and showed up with a naked gutshot. My problem with the calldown is that there were many draws on the board, and if our hero folds when one comes in and the bet is large, then we've lost to his aggression.

So when we have hands that we figure are good against his range, the question is 3-bet or call? Which is the question your talking about In this video. So if we're against a aggressive opponent (not sure where you got passive from) with a vulnerable hand on a draw heavy board, do you call or try to win it there?

Or has this stopped being a floating discussion because we have top pair?


1) did we know he was aggressive before the hand started? Because if I knew he was a bad-aggro guy then ofc im not folding, but if all I know is that he limped preflop I'm going to assume he's passive.
EDIT: just re-read the hand and see the brief description in the top that I had missed. if he's a bad aggro player then obv calling down is fine, but at no point are we "floating" (which implies bluffing to take the pot away later). I got the "passive" part from the sb-completing preflop.

2) So, if my opponent had equity AND bluffs the river, I'll just call and hope he doesn't suck out, cause i win a big bet whenever he doesn't. But, if my opponent had equity and DOESN'T bluff the river, I should either raise the turn or fold the river (depending on how many bluffs he has relative to his value hands).

Floating implies bluffing on a later street.

Hope that answers your q,
Andrew

Posted about 1 year ago

prestonp

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Got it. I think I got confused on this over time because if I flatted a preflop raiser I would call the flop pretty light to float the turn. But the I worried about adopting an unbalanced line if I actually hit the flop. I didn't want to raise all made hands and call all draws. So I called the Cbet with the entire range of hands that would continue past the flop. So I guess it all became floating in my mind.

Posted about 1 year ago

DBG76

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Hi Andew,
Another great series of videos. Something I wanted to ask you is situations that you discuss in this video and many of your others regarding raising the flop when your opponent isnt likely to to put any more more money in the pot unless he improves, I think Bart Hanson calls this the "Negative Equity freeroll"

Say we have an extremely 1 & done type villain who opens in MP and we call IP with 99, he then cbets a 752r flop. Is this then a spot where your default would be to raise even though we wont get him to fold better or call with worse but our goal is merely to fold out his equity (overcards) ?

Edit: Oops your answered my question in the next video Smile

Posted about 1 year ago

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