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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by FenderJaguar (Mid Stakes)

apologies for the distractions in this. I think there's good content but it was def a bit sloppy haha.

Good video - should be a great series

Fender you said its great that we are seeing a lot of different 3bets and that when you move through 100nl to 400nl theres a whole different 3betting dynamic in general , could you expand on this , i dont recognize that there is much of a difference

52mins - AQo , hero 3bets and checks back the J9xs IP , turn 7spades , when CO checks this again im very tempted to bet here , i would expect him to lead out with any pair to protect and he may even bluff with some high spades - it looks like a good spot for a delayed cbet - what do you think ?

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Let's put us in BB's shoes. Are we really happy to valuebet on a river with a Jack after button called twice in 3way pot? As you said it would be hard for hero to have a 9 on the river because big blinds line is quite strong, so i wouldn't put too much jacks in his river betting range. Also i think it would be ridiculous to call a raise if you do valuebet top pair on a river.

Good video - should be a great series

Fender you said its great that we are seeing a lot of different 3bets and that when you move through 100nl to 400nl theres a whole different 3betting dynamic in general , could you expand on this , i dont recognize that there is much of a difference

52mins - AQo , hero 3bets and checks back the J9xs IP , turn 7spades , when CO checks this again im very tempted to bet here , i would expect him to lead out with any pair to protect and he may even bluff with some high spades - it looks like a good spot for a delayed cbet - what do you think ?

Can you time link to what I said about the 3 bet dynamic stuff?

He may lead out with any pair or bluff, but he may also check and try to bluffcatch and get to showdown. it's not a bad spot to bet depending on dynamics and opponents (like vs. a weaker opponent you haven't shown yourself to be overly aggressive towards is prob. pretty likely to c/f the turn) but you should be prepared to bet some rivers if he calls, in general he's going to most likely have a weaker range. In this spot specifically I can see his bluffcatching and calling frequency go up some on the turn because of the recent history (not always the case but somewhat likely) though the river is too good not to bluff imo.

I think checking back 2x is fine as well and bluffing some rivers. It's a line that can often get a lot of credit from players that immediately say to themselves "he can rep no bluffs". So it depends on the variables, but it's def credible when they line up.

Let's put us in BB's shoes. Are we really happy to valuebet on a river with a Jack after button called twice in 3way pot? As you said it would be hard for hero to have a 9 on the river because big blinds line is quite strong, so i wouldn't put too much jacks in his river betting range. Also i think it would be ridiculous to call a raise if you do valuebet top pair on a river.

It depends on what the BB is capable of, or what he's not capable of. On such a board texture he may feel safe value betting Jx because we just called 2x on a very drawy board where we'd be inclined to raise somewhere with a better hand. A lot of things are possible.

You may think it's ridiculous to call a raise if you did bet top pair, but not everyone thinks this. Let me ask you this, why do you think it's ridiculous to call a raise with top pair on the river? Because you think there's no way we're value betting worse right? If that's the case what's our value shipping range on that river, and what should your calling range be? Do you think we ship a straight on the paired board? Or just boats? If we just ship boats, 55 is the worst boat, so how is that different from calling with top pair if the value range you're against is better than both (assuming any bluffs would be worse than both as well). It's obviously not SO clear cut, but you see what I'm saying.

Time Link to 00:46:52

Time link you asked for on 3betting

Time link you asked for on 3betting

Well, the players at 2/4 are much better in a lot of ways than the guys at .5/1. Better frequency, better postflop play, preflop ranges and most importantly they're more comfortable and better at responding to preflop 3b+ dynamics. What it boils down to is that players at 2/4 are going to be a lot more experienced and well rounded (not always the case but on average), and they have most likely face tougher players on a high % of the time as well. So on the surface it may not seem like there's much of a difference, but there's actually a pretty big difference in player characteristics beyond what hands people do/don't 3b and their raw 3b%. In order to do well against these better players you need to start thinking on an individual per player basis, which is common knowledge but often unused or not optimally used common knowledge. Thinking about what they're thinking, what motivates them, how they perceive and more importantly how they're going to respond to you, all of these things are more important vs. better players (obv because they make less mistakes that you can naturally profit from). I hope this doesn't sound like re-hashed information but that's basically the gist of it.

Shipping the KK seems insane, feels like we are targetting one hand for value, AJ

I think his range for betting the river is either the nuts or a missed draw alot, and by jamming we are either giving him 80€ when he has us beat or getting a fold when he has a missed draw.

Him having KJ is less likely since we have 2 kings and I don't think he bets many worse jacks than that and even if he is he's probably not calling our jam.

I just think that assuming a guy bet calls QJ here is some wishful thinking and just calling and saving some money when he has a boat or so seems good to me.

Shoving over that river bet w/ KK on J95tt 6 9 board seems too thin.
For the student in the vid, you should 3bet smaller imo. Like w/ 100bb stacks going from 6 to 20 in position is just too big. 6 to 18 or even 6 to 16 will do basically the same thing.
Lastly good god at those tables, not even one fish on any of the four. If that's what the tables look like day in and day out switch sites or start mixing limits.

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What do you think guys about the 3bet size against min open (2x) on the button. Isn't 18 (4,5x) too big?

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whats wrong with going for value with 99 on club flop multiway? Yoy can value bet on many turns and with club turns couldnt you turn your hand into a bluff by leading big or betting small and check raising? It seems like if villain had Ac, then he might raise the flop because his hand its hard to get paid when his draw is obvious an it hits. It discounts the Ac in his hand yet you can still have it.

Shipping the KK seems insane, feels like we are targetting one hand for value, AJ

I think his range for betting the river is either the nuts or a missed draw alot, and by jamming we are either giving him 80€ when he has us beat or getting a fold when he has a missed draw.

Him having KJ is less likely since we have 2 kings and I don't think he bets many worse jacks than that and even if he is he's probably not calling our jam.

I just think that assuming a guy bet calls QJ here is some wishful thinking and just calling and saving some money when he has a boat or so seems good to me.

I think he's capable of having more J's in his range than AJ. Even if it was just AJ there's more combo's of that than boats in his range. Why isn't he calling our jam with top pair? Would you ever bluff shove in this spot? Think about that for a second, give yourself a total airball here, are you honestly going to bluff shove this river? It's essentially a minraise on a board with tons of missed draws, nobody is folding top pair here. Yes the shove is thin, no question.

Shoving over that river bet w/ KK on J95tt 6 9 board seems too thin.

The problem here is that we don't know exactly what his range looks like, so I think a lot of people will feel a shove might be thin (like I did in the vid). But if you go over a typical calling range of a tight player, his range for betting the river is AJ/KJ/JJ/99/55. Because we are blocking some KJ let's just use AJ.

AJs: 3
AJo: 9
JJ: 3
99: 1
55: 3

We win vs AJ (12 combos) and loose vs JJ/99/55 (7 combos), which means we are winning 63% of the time.

Let's say he calls us with hands like T9, 98 etc. On the river the only hand he will show up with is 87. Those are 4 combos. So putting it all together we are winning 12x and loose 11x. Even here we are winning 52% of the time, but now it becomes thin^^

The only way we are getting in trouble here is if he can have a hand like J9s that he played this way.

And don't be afraid of the 9 on the river. It might look scary at first, but in reality he like never has a 9 there, because he wouldn't go for a bet with it on the turn, unless it would be a hand like J9s which I think he doesn't have.

Finally, you should remember one thing: Even if he might think it is a b/f on the river, because we are never bluffraising, he only has to call 80€. He won't fold for that amount of money. That's what Chris wrote, too. We are never bluff raising the river, because we don't expect him to ever fold a hand like AJ. If he folds AJ/KJ(/QJ), we might have a spot in which we can profitable bluffraise with any2. So the shove is +ev, even it feels thin, but in reality it isn't.

For the student in the vid, you should 3bet smaller imo. Like w/ 100bb stacks going from 6 to 20 in position is just too big. 6 to 18 or even 6 to 16 will do basically the same thing.

You found my auto-pilot problem For whatever reason I always raise to 20 in position. But it is something that I should be easily able to change.

Lastly good god at those tables, not even one fish on any of the four. If that's what the tables look like day in and day out switch sites or start mixing limits.

In general you are obv right here. But if you have the chance to do a video review with a coach I think you should go for some tougher tables then you would normally play, because now you get into a lot of trouble spots. We all now how to play the fish in most scenarios, but if a regular raises our bet on the river when we have top two pair etc, it becomes interesting.

What do you think guys about the 3bet size against min open (2x) on the button. Isn't 18 (4,5x) too big?

I think if players that you are playing against don't adjust to your sizing and they keep on calling/4betting with the same range, it is ok to raise to 18.

If someone now starts to fold more often it is ok for us. If he wants to call us more, it is ok for us, too, because we have a somewhat strong range and he is calling 7bb more which we will often win on the flop and even more important, we will win them more often, because he has to fold a bigger range. It might not look like a big difference whether he calls 6bb or 7bb, but over the longrun it all adds up to our winrate.

The only problem we might get: if he now starts to 4b us really light. But in reality most of the regs won't do that. So I think you can keep on raising to 9bb vs a minraise.