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IPoker Network $400.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1076279
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CO: $419.00
BTN: $391.52
SB: $603.20
BB: $400.00
Hero (UTG): $419.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is UTG with 7 7
Hero raises to $12, 1 fold, BTN calls $12, SB raises to $52, 1 fold, Hero calls $40, 1 fold

Flop: ($120.00) 5 K 9 (2 players)
SB bets $60.00, Hero raises to $140


Villain was playing 28/22 3bet:10% (14% from SB)

We had a pretty aggressive 3bet dynamic going on with Villain and I expected him to be 3betting pretty depolarized because I hadn't been 4betting him much IP.

I figured that flatting UTG repped a lot of strength as I would be flatting here with AA,KK,AK etc, to let the fish in the middle come along.

On the flop I felt that he would be c-bet giving up a lot of his range, but that he also would be pressed to fold KJ and possibly KQ here when I raise because of how strong my line looks.

Im not strong with bet sizing, but the reason I made it $140 basically because I wanted to make it look like I was pot committed and less like a steal by min raising.

This would be a rough range, but he possibly would have more junk. I also dont expect small-medium Pocket Pairs because he would almost certainly be flatting to try and stack the fish.

QQ+,A8s+,K9s+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KTo+,QTo+ - 13.3%

KK+,AKs,KQs,AKo,KQo - 3.3%

So i think I get 75% o f villains range to fold here and possibly more with my raise only needing to work like 40% of the time.

pure spew imo. You will get all the worse hands to fold that's it. Since there's a FD any K is going to jam on you as well as any FD. The pairs will call hoping you got a FD and seeing whats happening on the turn. Calling a 3 bet with 77 is spew to start with. The SB vs UTG reraise range should be tighter than normal and there's a fish in the middle and you're bluffing on a K high flop.

Yeah you are probably right, flatting pocket pairs to 3bets is definitely not my standard.

The reason in this instance that I did flat, was because I felt that although his range would have been somewhat depolarized (because he wanted me to fold and fish to call), his range for continuing once I had flatted was very polarized. I was opening quite a lot and I believed that he thought my range was wide and that his perceived range was very strong.

I don't think he would have shoved FD's or flatted with pp as villain was kind of weak tight post flop.

However I agree with you. My whole logic behind this play is twisted because as you said I get very few if any worse hands to fold. Thanks for the feedback

I much prefer bluffing this hand preflop rather than postflop if your opponent is 3betting a de-polarized range here.

You might be flatting KK+ here but does your opponent also think this or not?

If they do then I think their flop cbet range is going to be a bit stronger than usual.

The more fishy the opponent is the more I dislike a flop c/r as your opponents range will be more strong hands.

Jam or fold preflop (in this spot probably folding way more than jamming, if ever jamming). As others have stated calling sucks. Even if you think your perceived range is strong, you still don't have initiative and you have a hand that is literally handcuffed the vast majority of the time. Spewing for the holidays perhaps? As played fold the flop. Echo previous posts.

As a side note, if he did this with KJ or KQ and flopped top pair, he's pretty much never folding in a million years, and if you think he's weak tight enough to fold that top pair, he's probably weak tight enough to not have 3b it in these positions in the first place.

I want to add that your perceived range here is different than your actual range. It doesn't matter if you're flatting KK here, it only matters if villain thinks you flat KK here.

Spewing for the holidays perhaps?

Lol it certainly looks like it. Don't usually spew a lot until day after boxing day...

Yeah I after blah's feedback I went back over the hand and was like "wtf, if his range is SO depolarized why don't I 4-bet?"

Looking back on it I think my decision was heavily influenced by ego as we were playing back at each other a ton, so yeah pre-flop just makes no sense.

The fish played passive pre-flop but wasn't going far post without something decent.

so if I am in the CO here, fish call on the BTN, should I be 4-betting of shoving (discount folding) here?

If his range is depolorized

QQ+,A8s+,K9s+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KTo+,QTo+ - 13.3%

QQ+,AQs+,AQo+ - 3.8%

SO I am pretty certain he only stacks off with like 29% of his range.
He also folds to 4bet like 57% of the time! (what the fuck was I doing flatting this pre-flop...)

So anyway my question here is am I shoving this because I really don't want a him to 5bet shove any lighter than he will call a 4betjam from me because my hands equity is not any better and I just want to maximize fold equity?
And also would you balance your range here by shoving your monsters?

You might be flatting KK+ here but does your opponent also think this or not?

It doesn't matter if you're flatting KK here, it only matters if villain thinks you flat KK here

After justifying why I made the call in the first place, I realized villain was probably just thinking that I was flatting wide out of spite of our little fag war (spot on the lad was too).
Fucking horrible. This hand would actually be embarrassing if I had any dignity left lol

http://www.mypicx.com/12162010/Dignity/

As a side note, if he did this with KJ or KQ and flopped top pair, he's pretty much never folding in a million years, and if you think he's weak tight enough to fold that top pair, he's probably weak tight enough to not have 3b it in these positions in the first place.

Bingo/ you put yourself in a horrible position by flating pre. Between jaming and folding I would go with how I felt your dynamic was at the time(agro dynamic or a compleatly insanly agro dynamic) folding mostly and jaming occasionaly.

very easy pre flod against him. if he would really have 14% in this spot it would be +ev to 4bet shove pre but its not huge +ev it's thin. but this 14% is a overall stat and against utg he will be tighter especially being oop against the fish too. i am pretty sure that get it in pre in this situation is -ev. also u dont want to play a 3 way pot in a sandwich. 77 in sandwich has so bad playability and most of the time u will play it for setvalue or fold without improve. even HU IP the playability isnt great as u c.
also i dont think he will c bet this flop a ton cause its coordinated and u have a lot of gutshot backdoor flush, tp second pair type hands wich wont fold to 1 barrle.

fold>>>>>>>4bet>>call