200NL deep stacked spot with AQ
7 posts, 5 voices
- tiil
- Deuce High
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5 posts
Joined 01/08
Villain in this hand runs at 24/20, 3-bet % 12, fold to 3-bet 39%. He puts in a ton of pressure and plays pretty fearless generally, apparently wins a lot of money. Having said that, I don't think he's very good at all at reading hands and I've seen him do a lot of dumb stuff both preflop (like calling 3-bets and 4-bet OOP with crappy broadway hands) and postflop.
We've been tangling a lot before this hand came up. I'd love to hear your thoughts on both preflop play and later streets. His 3-bet % in the small blind is 15.
Party Poker $200 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
UTG: $230.65
CO: $330.45
BTN: $301.80
SB: $588.45
Hero (BB): $470.85
Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with A 
Q 
UTG raises to $7, 2 folds, SB raises to $26, Hero calls $24, UTG calls $19
Flop: ($78.00) A 
4 
6 (3 players)
SB bets $52, Hero calls $52, UTG folds
Turn: ($182.00) 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $106, SB calls $106
River: ($394.00) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $286.85 all in
- ChrisG
- Deuce High
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21 posts
Joined 03/08
This is a weird hand and I'm not sure what your intention is with your river bet. I mean are you value betting or bluffing? because both kinda suck.
First of all I don't like your PF call. This is because the villians 3-bet range is much much stronger than his 12% 3-bet stat indicates, as he's 3-betting OOP against an UTG opener. His range may still contain a few bluffs (it'd be nice if we had UTG's stats to further get an idea of his range) but I'm sure its mostly good hands. Plus the fact that we're deep makes AQ off go down in value. And not to mention the fact that UTG is still to act and could easily 4-bet.
But once we have called, the flop peel is standard. The turn bet is ok but I prefer a check as there arn't a ton of made hands in his range that we get value from (as I dont expect him to be 3-betting a worse ace PF), while there's some air that may bluff the river and hands like KK,QQ,JJ which may be stuborn and call a small river bet once we check the turn.
And on the river I think the bet is awful. The only value we can get is if villian randomly decides to look you up with KK, which I think hardly ever happens. And the only hand we could ever bluff out is AK, which I doubt he folds.
- Dead-Inside
- Deuce High
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33 posts
Joined 05/08
Don't expect to be called on the river unless we're beat or splitting, hence check. Everything else is fine.
- u2killers
- Deuce High
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36 posts
Joined 03/08
the most important part of this hand to me is how much I really hate your preflop call. Not only are you out of position, but you are also going to be the first to act after the preflop 3better makes his Cbet, I just think this is always a 4bet or fold, with my preference leaning strongly towards folding
- tiil
- Deuce High
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5 posts
Joined 01/08
Good point about bad relative position u2killers. I reckoned I was only spewing the 3-bet amount (which is definitely significant though) in case UTG had a big hand, but kind of overlooked this. But I still think preflop is only thin and not completely bad.
Other than pre, I think this hand really played itself out. I was definitely vbetting turn and river. Checking turn and betting river really turns my hand face up, while when I bet turn I can at least theorically have some bluffs in my range. I expected him to look me up with a bunch of worse aces that he certainly could have and sometimes with KK/QQ just because he's very suspicious of me. I couldn't see him checking AK or better so I river shove seemed pretty obvious to me.
- CoRdo
- Deuce High
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47 posts
Joined 05/08
I don't like preflop.
But the main street here is imo the turn. I think you should either check and get some more $$$ from KK etc. with a river bet or you can bet but I would only bet around 1/3 of the pot. You have no reason to protect and by betting weak you may induce a bluff by KK (unlikely tho) or at least have him call. When he c/c the weak bet, bet river again, half pot. I don't think you can stack KK on an A high board for 235BB EVER. But I think you can get some $$$ with two weak bets rather than with one big bet. Not to mention he doesn't call 2 big bets.
IMO checking the turn is the best play since you can balance this line with the float in 3bet pots where you check behind the turn and bet the river if he checks or fold if he bets since a lot of players c/r the turn with made hands. I wouldn't be surprised if you get c/r on the turn. Then you are in a really bad spot. In case you don't know this float check out unconventional wisdom ep.1
- ChrisG
- Deuce High
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21 posts
Joined 03/08
But I still think preflop is only thin and not completely bad.
I think it really sucks, as I illustrated in my previous post (and add to that u2killers point about relative position)
Other than pre, I think this hand really played itself out. I was definitely vbetting turn and river. Checking turn and betting river really turns my hand face up, while when I bet turn I can at least theorically have some bluffs in my range.
I think betting the turn is fine aslong as we check back the river. And sure if we check the turn our hand does look alot like a weak-medium made hand, but he's gonna bluff us enough on the river, to try and get us off medium PP's, to make this line good.
I expected him to look me up with a bunch of worse aces that he certainly could have and sometimes with KK/QQ just because he's very suspicious of me. I couldn't see him checking AK or better so I river shove seemed pretty obvious to me.
Well the range your trying to get value from is very thin and most of those hands rarely get to the river or get there with a different line. For example the villain is unlikely to be 3-betting any weaker aces PF, maybe occaisionly he 3-bets ace rag suited but it's highly unlikely he check/calls the turn and river with them. As for KK/QQ/JJ; I'd be suprised if he c-bets with them on this flop into 2 players, and then thurthermore I doubt he check/calls the turn and river with them. He may call with one of the hands you listed but it's extremely unlikely that he does, hence this valuebet it's way too thin.
Also the villian could deffiantly check/call the turn with AK, so I wouldn't rule this out of his range.