villain 41/13/2.4


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NL Holdem $2(BB) Replayer Game#407910138

SB ($190.72)
BB ($53.54)
UTG ($245.85)
UTG+1 ($210.05)
CO ($53.30)
Hero ($368.25)

Dealt to Hero 8K

fold, fold, call, call, fold, check,

FLOP ($7) 2K9

check, check, Hero bets $7, BB folds, CO calls $7,

TURN ($21) 2K96

check, Hero?



ok am I going to commit myself here or do I give a free card and why?

bet the turn for sure and never over limp w/ K8o pf, raise or fold.

i much prefer minraising to limping. at least gives them a chance to fold and takes the initiative. sounds terrible when you first hear it, but it works surprisingly well.

for 25bb it's almost always correct to find a way to get stacks in hu with top pair, even in a limped pot.

Wow... Never done this. Must try soon. Sure I have often not adjusted my LP open when there was a limper in the pot. But min-raising... sick.. I guess our cards mean close to nothing in those spots?

The basic idea is to give him a chance to fold AND to get more FE when we c-bet right?

i much prefer minraising to limping. at least gives them a chance to fold and takes the initiative. sounds terrible when you first hear it, but it works surprisingly well.

for 25bb it's almost always correct to find a way to get stacks in hu with top pair, even in a limped pot.

Do these kind of players really fold to a minraise here? I find it hard to believe but i agree with the part that if you do it you'll take the initiative on the hand (never tried it though, have to give it a shot and see how it works)

@improva: i also think that our cards mean something in this spot against villains with 25bb, you rather have a hand with high card value than like Hielko said 43s imo

So you are adjusting your opening range when there is a limper in the pot and you have the BTN?

Certainly. When I expect the limper to call my raise a decent amount of the time I'm going to raise more hands with some high card value then hands like low suited hands because they flop almost never good showdown hands, and against a fish you often need showdown value.

So our opening range is narrower when there is more easy money in the pot and we have position? (I'm not saying that you are wrong... just playing devils advocate.)

It depends. Are we still talking about a fish with a short-stack? If yes, my opening range will be narrower yes for the reasons already stated.

dont do stupid stuff preflop and this wont happen

i wouldn't say its narrower...it should be wider. just different. in other words, we should raise this K8o for high card strength and fold 45s. actually limping 45s would probably be decent here.

okay. What hands are you adding to your range?