KRANTZ
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Great video. I like the format and also the fact that it is at these stakes because the situations that come up are much more interesting.
When you 4bet small to a pot committing size with 55 against stoner, what's the advantage of 4betting to that size over just 4bet shoving?
Also in the hand where you click it back with K7s on a TT5r flop against that stoner guy, why do you choose to click it back when you plan to bluff the turn anyway? Isn't the whole point in clicking it back to make bluffs cheaper? You might as well reraise bigger, or do you expect him to peel a bigger reraise just about as often as a minreraise?
Btw would you agree that Mace Windu is the most badass Jedi of all?
Re: 4-betting to 16k vs shoving, there isn't much difference although you could argue that 16k might look more like AK to your opponent and cause him to fold hands like AJ or AQ, whereas shoving looks like Ax or a pocket pair.
Re: the minreraise - what you said last. I think if he is going to peel the minreraise, he's just as likely peeling to a bigger reraise, and with the same range, so regardless of whether or not I fire the turn, that makes a turn bluff more expensive and dilutes the strength of the first bluff in the first place. So yes, the whole point is to get a really good price on a cheap bluff, but I prolly could have better expressed myself by saying bluff or bluff(s).
And it's Yoda. "It is obvious that this contest cannot be decided by our knowledge of the Force but by our skills with a lightsaber." And an entire geek universe orgasmed. Not close.
Maybe Anakin Solo if you count the EU.
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KRANTZ
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Hey Krantz,
First hand you have 55 and say you 4bet big to reduce any illusion of him having any fold equity.
Ok understood that part....
The thing I dont understand is 4betting big with 55 yet 4betting small with AA. Now I routinely 4bet (and always small) vs a lot of players at my limit who have an insanely high 3bet %, however what I dont get is the balancing part. If we 4bet small with 55 and all the PPs, it gives the illusion of FE, so he is going to 5bet jam a wider range, so that when we do have AA-JJ and the like we can get it in good.
Also if you have 2 different 4betting ranges (small/big), it makes your 4bet small (for value) range a LOT tighter, meaning you cannot 4bet bluff as much.
Surely this is bad, and means that we are going to have to fold a lot more to his 3bets because we cannot represent as much when we 4bet small (as our range is a lot tighter) or is there a way to compensate that like by making small 4bets with big cards rather than PP?
For this to matter he has to actually be 5-bet shoving wide. If he is 5-bet shoving wide, you will always get paid off even if you only 4-bet small with the top of your range. Big difference between theory and practice here. If you narrow your small 4b value range, and the opponent you're playing is jamming every time you 4-b small (pretty extreme example to start), then either start opening tighter or just jam all your bluffs, or fold to his 3-bets. Piece o cake.
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KRANTZ
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Got another question.
If you had KKc on the turn in that 22 hand are you playing it the same.
Might be a really dumb question but in regards to Jman c/c c/r with a set, would he be shoving a blank on the river/calling it off if you shoved on the turn?
Yes, he would never fold his hand and it would be awful to play it like that with that stack size and ever considering folding. I would play KK the same and fold the river, if I had KK with no club I would fold to his checkraise.
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For this to matter he has to actually be 5-bet shoving wide. If he is 5-bet shoving wide, you will always get paid off even if you only 4-bet small with the top of your range. Big difference between theory and practice here. If you narrow your small 4b value range, and the opponent you're playing is jamming every time you 4-b small (pretty extreme example to start), then either start opening tighter or just jam all your bluffs, or fold to his 3-bets. Piece o cake.
Using an extreme example. Lets say we have an opponent he 3bets a huge % of his range - we got a spastic maniac as our opponent for example. So what can the widest range for us be for our small 4bet value range, like {A8+,99+}.
Can we go as far as adding KQ,KJ to that 4bet samll for value range?
The reason is even A8+/99+ is a small part of our range if we are opening reasonably. So if he is 3betting us extremely light we cannot do anything about it with a lot of our opening range. Guess we'll just have to wait for a hand before 4betting then but what Im worried about is the times we do get it in good 4bet/calling will it outweight the times we lose money by opening/folding to his 3bet?
Also what is your adjustment when your opponent realises you are 4bet jamming low pockets pairs (and starts calling with overcards) or does this not matter?
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Great job Krantz, i disagree a little bit about a post earlier saying that these nosebleed stakes vids are not as helpful for nl1k,nl2k regs. I definitely learn a lot more in this video than general nl1k grind videos, keep the good work.
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love the nosebleed action. a lot more interesting. not sure how i feel about the skipping around though. if it means more nosebleed content i'm cool w/ it, but frustrating to completely miss out on any sort of game flow or recent dynamics, etc.
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Great job Krantz, i disagree a little bit about a post earlier saying that these nosebleed stakes vids are not as helpful for nl1k,nl2k regs. I definitely learn a lot more in this video than general nl1k grind videos, keep the good work.
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awesome video, like always, keep up the good work!
What color is your lightsaber?
I really wanna know this, too.
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Using an extreme example. Lets say we have an opponent he 3bets a huge % of his range - we got a spastic maniac as our opponent for example. So what can the widest range for us be for our small 4bet value range, like {A8+,99+}.
Can we go as far as adding KQ,KJ to that 4bet samll for value range?
The reason is even A8+/99+ is a small part of our range if we are opening reasonably. So if he is 3betting us extremely light we cannot do anything about it with a lot of our opening range. Guess we'll just have to wait for a hand before 4betting then but what Im worried about is the times we do get it in good 4bet/calling will it outweight the times we lose money by opening/folding to his 3bet?
Also what is your adjustment when your opponent realises you are 4bet jamming low pockets pairs (and starts calling with overcards) or does this not matter?
If he starts calling with overcards you need to start balancing by 4-betting smaller. It's a game of rock paper scissors and the correct counterstrategy depends on whether or not your opponent is making adjustments. This isn't very complicated if you look beyond a cursory examination. If a maniac is constantly 3-betting you, then you should 4-bet bluff wider so he will fold. If every hand he 3-bets he jams over your 4-bet regardless, then expand your 4-bet value range as wide as it takes so long as the hands you are 4-betting are better than the % of hands he is 3-betting. Those opponents are rare, though, and chances are you will never have to deal with anything like that since there are 4 other players at the table that will probably get all-in with him quickly if you don't.
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Hi Krantz. Nice vid.
I pretty much agreed with you on every point except the hand vs. urindanger.
You say it's wrong for him to 3bet this flop in position with QQ. I think the flop was something like Ts5s3x and you checkraised with 55 after defending your blind. The hands he will put you on are probably TP hands trying to get it in, combodraws/flushdraws going for FE, bluffs, and sometimes a set. Although you'll reraise TT sometimes (I have no experience playing you) and maybe also reraise 55 and 33 a decent percentage of the time. He's completely right in not putting you on a big hand.
There's definitely something to be said for calling your raise in position and shoving turn, this does have the disadvantage of you shutting down with a missed flushdraw or a hand like JJ/KT/AT. Thereby missing value he could have gotten on the flop, big advantage is the extra bet he would pick up if you bluff turn again. All in all, a call might be the best play, but I don't think it's as big of a mistake as you said it was in the video. The flop 3bet might also get you to shove a complete bluff or whatever some percentage of the time? (prolly not though?)
I never played you though, so I'm not sure about ur preflop and postflop ranges after check/raising a flop like this. So my assumptions could be totally off.
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K guys, Rusty managed to ninja the hell out of this one and re-construct the video. Please let me know if there are any issues but it should be much prettier now.
Rob
Holy crap, how is it even possible to improve the video quality like that after the original has been recorded at a low resolution? It looks perfect now, I'm seriously impressed...
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Great series! One comment about the last AA hand vs Galfond (I'm sure you remember this one
You mention it's unlikely he's full here. However it's such an unlikely spot for him to be bluffing (if he shoves river). Thus even though it's hard to get paid, you will valuebet AA and sometimes bluff there that he should check his whole range. Tough spot for him in any case, kind of illustrates the power of position.
Really cool how is range is so narrow and faceup, so it becomes a game of chicken (how often do you bluff there).
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KRANTZ
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Great series! One comment about the last AA hand vs Galfond (I'm sure you remember this one
You mention it's unlikely he's full here. However it's such an unlikely spot for him to be bluffing (if he shoves river). Thus even though it's hard to get paid, you will valuebet AA and sometimes bluff there that he should check his whole range. Tough spot for him in any case, kind of illustrates the power of position.
Really cool how is range is so narrow and faceup, so it becomes a game of chicken (how often do you bluff there).
That was a fun hand. Just got really nostalgic. Can't wait to play a lot of poker again this summer.
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