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Hielko

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Because Ac5c cbets like always and if he doesn't cbet 65, he's almost never calling the turn.

Posted almost 2 years ago

NoWayFolding

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Because Ac5c cbets like always and if he doesn't cbet 65, he's almost never calling the turn.



durr yeah forgot about the FD on flop ^^

Posted almost 2 years ago

Ansky

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Sorry I haven't got back to this thread in a while--

I think it's a call because there are 15 combos of A5, (no Ac5c obv) and another 15 combos of 56 (but i think this is very unlikely that he doesnt bet 56 on flop.) So we have about 15 combos that beat us.

He can have 34 (9 combos) 94 (9 combos) , 44 (6 combos). So theres basically 18 ways we beat him and 15 ways he beats us, but I think he folds a reasonable % with the hands we beat if we 3b, so i think its a call.

Posted almost 2 years ago

NoWayFolding

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Crazxy thought...

Shove to make A5 fold lol Grin (thatll probably never happen - jus always like to question how often top pros can make big folds with the top of their range)

Posted almost 2 years ago

Isura

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Sorry I haven't got back to this thread in a while--

I think it's a call because there are 15 combos of A5, (no Ac5c obv) and another 15 combos of 56 (but i think this is very unlikely that he doesnt bet 56 on flop.) So we have about 15 combos that beat us.

He can have 34 (9 combos) 94 (9 combos) , 44 (6 combos). So theres basically 18 ways we beat him and 15 ways he beats us, but I think he folds a reasonable % with the hands we beat if we 3b, so i think its a call.



Technical point, but think he's more likely to have K3/K4/33/44 than 34 or 94. Raising 94 here seems too thin. Of course it's a spot he can't rep many combos, but for the same reason don't know if he bluffs that often. GTO wise it could be right to raise all those though.

Considering our ranges, we never have KK, rarely 99, maybe 4 combos of 56, not all A5 combos since he could expect us/we could often just c/c this turn with gutter and SD value. Given this he really should be planning to raise/call 33/44/K4 and possibly K3. I guess the essence of the hand is if he thinks you're capable of bluffing in this type of spot where you can rep nuts much easier than him raising seems almostmandatory.

Posted almost 2 years ago

allwind

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Sorry I haven't got back to this thread in a while--

I think it's a call because there are 15 combos of A5, (no Ac5c obv) and another 15 combos of 56 (but i think this is very unlikely that he doesnt bet 56 on flop.) So we have about 15 combos that beat us.

He can have 34 (9 combos) 94 (9 combos) , 44 (6 combos). So theres basically 18 ways we beat him and 15 ways he beats us, but I think he folds a reasonable % with the hands we beat if we 3b, so i think its a call.



How important is it to do these range analysis (counting the exact number of different number of hands) while playing, and how exact are the suposed to get them?

Posted almost 2 years ago

junglefever

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def dont 3bet river, id call but expect to get shown A5...

Posted almost 2 years ago

Gman

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I think anything other than calling is pretty bad here. No matter what your image is, TC is not going to be looking you up all that light when you 3 bet the river.

Posted almost 2 years ago




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