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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by livebikebart (High Stakes)

Amazing Video~! Thanks so much Bart. I love your podcasts as well! You are AWESOME! That said, I do have a bit of a noob question in regards to stack size maintenance. In live games, if you find yourself at less than maximum buy in amount at any point, do you continue on playing until you build up (thru short stack play or w/e) or do you at some point refill your stack to max buy in before taking another hand?

If the latter is the case, at what point do you buy your stack back up to max buy in level. Im sorry if this is a dumb question, but Im still new to poker, and live games, and always wondered how work that.

Thanks!

PS: Also, some people asked about how you play vs maniacs, and you responded that basically there arent many at your stake level at commerce (but that youll find an example later to use). I currently play at Oceans 11 down in San Diego and I find that the 1/1 and 2/2 game at my place has a fair amount of regs who play chip bully lag bluff maniac poker, and I wonder if that is a product of just being in lower stakes (where the cost of play isnt as serious for some people to make them play more meta game)... or if is something else Im not getting.

If youve got time to answer a two parter, I d love to know your thoughts on the typical types of player pools we will experience at the various stakes (from the bottom on up to where you are now), and how you think each stake should be approached and beaten. Thanks for your help!


Sunny (Oda)

I always top off to $1500. I usually keep some extra $100 chips in my pocket so that I can max out with ease. There just is no point in not playing up to the cap--no one scares me with their deep stacks and I never want to get into a spot where I can't make the maximum off of a big fish's stack.

In terms of maniacs it might be a thing where at the lower levels more aggressive play tends to scare guys who are recreational players who only bring 1-2 buy ins to the casino. At 5-10 the recs are usually small business owners and most of the pros have adequate bankrolls to play for stacks in thin situations.

Well said Bart. Thanks for the insight. Do you think someday you could do a podcast or instructional on how new aspiring players like us should approach and deal with chip bullies/maniacs in live play? For a beginner, hand reading a maniac who seems to be playing and opening with any 2 cards feels a bit daunting. Some tips would be very helpful. IF there is already material out there that adreses this (that you could recommend me to also) that would be much appreciated. Regardless, PLEASE keep making your vidoes. They are some of my favorite. Thanks!

Sunny

P.S: Have you ever played at the Oceans 11 down in San Diego?

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Bart, what do you do with another low card on the turn like a 7 against this guy?

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Sorry for the noob question... 4 SPR... What does SPR stand for?

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LMAO!!! Nevermind.... Stack to Pot Ratio....

Great first video Bart. I second the Limon suggestion. In one hand you mentioned he was at the table and I also saw citizen James. I instantly thought that a commentary on a hand that you were involved in with those players (either multiway or heads up) might actually be pretty interesting from multiple view points given your different approaches to live poker and how well you interact with them on the podcast... for entertainment value maybe even the sober and drunk version

Seriously though I did have a question about your set mining requirements.

In Professional No Limit Holdem they suggest that you should be able to win at least 12X the raise when purely set mining. Which implies not only the villains stack size but also their range and their willingness to stack off in various situations. Harrington in HOC suggests a huge 25X for set mining. Frequently in Low Stakes 100bb or 150bb capped games where standard opens are 6-8bbs or more you often cannot get 25X and many times barely 12x which means you either would be dumping a lot of PPs or must play them other than for set value which can be difficult in the "no-foldem" low stakes games.

I had seen an extensive analysis of online data that suggested somewhere in the range between 11 and 12. You frequently cite 10X which is much more achievable than Harrington and often right on the margins in these lowstakes games. But is this really enough to make pure set mining profitable?

There has been some raging debate in the LLSNL forums at 2+2 about this subject and I would like to hear your views a bit further.

Thanks again and looking forward to the next video.

Agreed. If limon was at the table i want his analysis. Otherwise why even mention it?

Yes that is exactly it. If there are 7 white chips in the pot I can bet 5 or $600 and get called. If the pot is just a massive clump of yellow recreational players have no clue what the pot size is and don't know that I am actually betting under the pot.

I see your point, but do you not think that betting with oversized chips looks more intimidating and may cause players not to call with medium/weak strength hands as your bet "looks" stronger? Just pushing a load of reds out there may make them think "oh it's only a pile of reds, I can call that".

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Did you ever post the supplement? Where?

Thx,
Bill

This video is sooooo awesome, that I decided NOT to blow my brains out all over my cubicle wall at work today

Did you ever post the supplement? Where?

Thx,
Bill

Maybe some of the powers that be that might be lurking can answer that question. I'll put an email into to Rusty and see if we can get the supplement in there somewhere.

Bart

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Bart, I think the flip side of the point you're making about most live players not being able to turn a good hand (AQ, KQ) into a bluff in this spot, is that there are probably even fewer players that would be able to bet-fold AA/two pair in this spot. So while theoretically this is a great spot to turn AQ, KQ into a bluff, is it really +EV in practice, in these games? I mean most of the time you're not going to have a great read on whether the villain is good enough to bet-fold AA here, mostly likely he isn't. So I'm not sure if it's a matter of being good enough to employ this move, or the move not being employed more because it's -EV in this spot against 99% of the competition.

Bart, I think the flip side of the point you're making about most live players not being able to turn a good hand (AQ, KQ) into a bluff in this spot, is that there are probably even fewer players that would be able to bet-fold AA/two pair in this spot. So while theoretically this is a great spot to turn AQ, KQ into a bluff, is it really +EV in practice, in these games? I mean most of the time you're not going to have a great read on whether the villain is good enough to bet-fold AA here, mostly likely he isn't. So I'm not sure if it's a matter of being good enough to employ this move, or the move not being employed more because it's -EV in this spot against 99% of the competition.

I think the point here is that the players that are capable of betting AA for value in this spot are very few. Of those, however, I think that you could get a fair amount to fold to a raise. Typically most players will c/c the river when the board gets hairy. I am not a proponent of turning hands into bluffs after an obvious overpair checks OOP--unless the draw is incredibly obvious (front door flush) or the board gets extremely scary (4 flush or 4 straight).

Wow great video I can't wait to watch the rest! I literally just posted in the forums a couple of hours ago about advice playing live at the bike great video

Thanks for the series. Are you going to post any hands that aren't examples of awesome on your part?

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very interesting concept of bet folding the river w AA on dangerous boards - didnt do the math probably EV +

Thanks for the series. Are you going to post any hands that aren't examples of awesome on your part?

See episode 7 I believe. I basically 3 bet bluff my stack off to the biggest nit on the table, Fred.

Could you do a sort of concept video? or direct me to a video or forum post where you go through your thought processes? Or any other amazingly helpful tips like bet folding that seriously changed my game so much

Could you do a sort of concept video? or direct me to a video or forum post where you go through your thought processes? Or any other amazingly helpful tips like bet folding that seriously changed my game so much

Honestly I go through my thought process when discussing every hand on my podcast. I do not do a lot of forum writing I prefer to express my thoughts orally.

Bart

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Bart,

Why use 45 unseen cards instead of 47. I know you are taking into account the opponents hole cards but why? Also does this apply to multi-way or heads up?

Yes,

Taking into my opponents hole cards. 52-4-3(flop). If you are fairly certain that your opponent is not going for the same draw that you are and that your cards are live you can subtract his two from the deck.

when we are using the 10x 20x 25x rule are we evaluating what we would make on average from them or just the size of their stack behind?

also if there is a short stack raiser but it is a multiway what would be the minimum # of other player for us to call with these 10x 20x 25x hands?

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wtf does 25/5 mean?

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18/10/3 ???

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Nice one Bart, my first ever instruct vid. Love the 10x 20x 25x 30x rule... why havnt i heard of that before? Only negative is when you assume everyone plays internet poker...

question from a newbie:
In that first hand with the LP pocket deuces, what is your preflop limping range / opening range? I am assuming you raise .5 to 1 blind more for each limper like you say in your podcast...... ??