Ansky and Blah discuss hands from Blah's recent sessions of $5/10 NLHE 6 max.
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with the 99 hand isnt it best just to phrase it as if you call, call or move in you get stacked by the same number of overpairs, so if he has overs he hits like the whatever 15% of the time so as long as with those hands he bluffs more than this i.e. 20% of the remaining 85% then call is better rather than trying to assume if he bluffs all the time or not because he doesnt have to bluff all the time he misses.
with the 99 hand isnt it best just to phrase it as if you call, call or move in you get stacked by the same number of overpairs, so if he has overs he hits like the whatever 15% of the time so as long as with those hands he bluffs more than this i.e. 20% of the remaining 85% then call is better rather than trying to assume if he bluffs all the time or not because he doesnt have to bluff all the time he misses.
yes
How would you look to balance the c/c c/c donk shove the river line with the 78s hand?
I don't mean to come across like a douche here, but Blah is totally asian, right?
How would you look to balance the c/c c/c donk shove the river line with the 78s hand?
Your actual range doesn't needs to be balanced, only your perceived range matters and how much credit you give the guy for folding each part of their range.
How would you look to balance the c/c c/c donk shove the river line with the 78s hand?
ck call down with air then open jam river!!!
nah but seriously, really hard to have a bluffing hand on that riv, which is why I dont like his shove.
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Another factor I think is important here is that the times he does hit his 6 outer he's probably too bad to valuebet it.
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Ansky, do you think that there is any merit to bet/folding KK here? What do you think villain does with Jx both to a bet and to a check? Would villain turn a hand like QJ into a bluff to make us fold our overpairs and better Jx?
with the 99 hand isnt it best just to phrase it as if you call, call or move in you get stacked by the same number of overpairs, so if he has overs he hits like the whatever 15% of the time so as long as with those hands he bluffs more than this i.e. 20% of the remaining 85% then call is better rather than trying to assume if he bluffs all the time or not because he doesnt have to bluff all the time he misses.
Dani/Blah - In spots like this, is it also correct to say that whether or not we will be priced in against his value range on the river is a major consideration?
i.e. if we will be priced in vs his value range on the river (even if he never bluffs), then it doesn't matter what we do vs that part of his range, so that's when we need to consider what has more value vs his air - either jamming to protect or leaving him rope to bluff. But if we won't be priced in vs his value range on the river anyway, then it's better to call/decide on the river based on how often we think he's bluffing, since then we play more perfectly vs his value range which is beating us?
Basically, when we will be priced in vs his value range on the river anyway so it doesn't matter what we do vs that part of his range, is protection more of a consideration, but less of a consideration when we won't be priced in vs his value range and thus by calling instead of protect/jamming we give ourselves a chance to play more perfectly?
I realizse he's rarely value betting worse in this exact hand, but I'm speaking about spots similar to this where our opponent can be.
Sorry if the way I'm asking seems a bit convoluted.
Ansky, do you think that there is any merit to bet/folding KK here? What do you think villain does with Jx both to a bet and to a check? Would villain turn a hand like QJ into a bluff to make us fold our overpairs and better Jx?
Problem is how many Jx are 2 pair, and that they ALWAYS call, but the non 2 pairs sometimes fold.
Dani/Blah - In spots like this, is it also correct to say that whether or not we will be priced in against his value range on the river is a major consideration?
i.e. if we will be priced in vs his value range on the river (even if he never bluffs), then it doesn't matter what we do vs that part of his range, so that's when we need to consider what has more value vs his air - either jamming to protect or leaving him rope to bluff. But if we won't be priced in vs his value range on the river anyway, then it's better to call/decide on the river based on how often we think he's bluffing, since then we play more perfectly vs his value range which is beating us?
Basically, when we will be priced in vs his value range on the river anyway so it doesn't matter what we do vs that part of his range, is protection more of a consideration, but less of a consideration when we won't be priced in vs his value range and thus by calling instead of protect/jamming we give ourselves a chance to play more perfectly?
I realizse he's rarely value betting worse in this exact hand, but I'm speaking about spots similar to this where our opponent can be.
Sorry if the way I'm asking seems a bit convoluted.
Yes obviously we need to consider all of that. I'm not sure if that exactly answers your question though, if you can be more specific I could answer more.
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Ever think about leading out on this flop? I tend to think check calling hands like this on fairly barrel'able board kinda sucks. By leading you can still rep hands like sets (assuming you balance it) and you take over controll of the pot. I especially like it in a spot like this where you can probably barrel the fish of on alot of turn/river big cards as fish seem to like to fold on those.
Good video! I like your thought process Ansky, think you explain stuff in a good and theoretically sound way. However, I quite dislike Blah´s way of thinking, no offense but seems way too poor for NL1k.
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