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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by Ansky (High Stakes)

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This is a little bit of an amateurish question but I'd really like if somebody could help me out and give me some advice on this. In this hand example we have QJo in the SB vs a BTN open. Lets say that button defends a decent with some speculative hands and can be stationy so we want to be 3 betting stuff that can flop solid top pairs etc. and value bet with. So we want to flat hands like QJ, KQ etc. some of the time but also 3 bet it some of the time. Would you rather 3 bet the offsuit variety of the hands or the suited variety?

Obviously suited hands play better in both spots, but which is it more valuable? Is it more valuable to have the barrelling opportunities in the 3 bet pot that the suited hand gives us, or is it more valuable to have the backdoor draws etc. in the single raised pots that we can check raise etc. with? My own guess is that we should be generally 3 betting the suited hands because we can use stuff like suited connectors and the likes as check raise bluffing hands in single raised pots and given that we are inflating the pot with a 3 bet we would want to have stronger hands where possible and more options which the suited hands give us. I also think that in a single raised pot we can focus more on flopping decent pairs and just getting to showdown/value betting and so the offsuit hands are fine to flat with.

I also would guess that how often button 4 bets has an impact on our preflop decision as if he is 4 bet bluffing a lot and flatting not so much then it would be a pity to "waste" a hand like KQs or QJs by 3 betting it and getting 4 bet often, so we would prefer to flat it in that case and 3 bet some other stuff.

Sorry if this was rampbly or noobish but I'd really like some advice if possible.

Hi guys,

If you were villain (EVConsultant) and you had 8 9 facing Blah's c-bet, do your prefer floating or raising and why?

-Thanks.

Against teh 100% cbet type in that spot, I'd probably just jam, but vs more controlled players I might flat. I'd also flat and jam turn vs the really crazy guys too sometimes. The more sane they are the more likely i would be to fold to a turn barrel on various cards

I agree that donking the turn is definitely bad play but in general doesn't c/calling twice on this kind of very wet board put our range face up as something like JJ, T9s, ATs, QJs? So the best what we can have here is top pair with medium kicker. Doesn't it left us prone to being barreled out of our holding?

Thanks for response

Sounds like a good reason to call and call again on river...

This is a little bit of an amateurish question but I'd really like if somebody could help me out and give me some advice on this. In this hand example we have QJo in the SB vs a BTN open. Lets say that button defends a decent with some speculative hands and can be stationy so we want to be 3 betting stuff that can flop solid top pairs etc. and value bet with. So we want to flat hands like QJ, KQ etc. some of the time but also 3 bet it some of the time. Would you rather 3 bet the offsuit variety of the hands or the suited variety?

Obviously suited hands play better in both spots, but which is it more valuable? Is it more valuable to have the barrelling opportunities in the 3 bet pot that the suited hand gives us, or is it more valuable to have the backdoor draws etc. in the single raised pots that we can check raise etc. with? My own guess is that we should be generally 3 betting the suited hands because we can use stuff like suited connectors and the likes as check raise bluffing hands in single raised pots and given that we are inflating the pot with a 3 bet we would want to have stronger hands where possible and more options which the suited hands give us. I also think that in a single raised pot we can focus more on flopping decent pairs and just getting to showdown/value betting and so the offsuit hands are fine to flat with.

I also would guess that how often button 4 bets has an impact on our preflop decision as if he is 4 bet bluffing a lot and flatting not so much then it would be a pity to "waste" a hand like KQs or QJs by 3 betting it and getting 4 bet often, so we would prefer to flat it in that case and 3 bet some other stuff.

Sorry if this was rampbly or noobish but I'd really like some advice if possible.

Your question is not amateurish or beginner in the slightest, it is the exact topic I frequently debate my friends on and I don't have a definitive universal answer. The only guidelines I'd have for it is that if the suited version of the hand will be good enough to 5b it, then you should probably 3b the suited and flat the offsuit (assuming it isn't good enough to 5b vs the given player).

Secondly, the weaker a player is, the more liberal I am about the junk I 3b him with, because I think my hand matters less in that spot.. So I will tend to call with my stronger hands and just 3b him with the reallly junky stuff.

Third, these days people are doing all sorts of crazy stuff like min 4bs and shit, so I'd like to have more suited hands for that, and just leave the big offsuit cards for flatting. I'd also prefer to be 3b the suited ones more when we are deep.

Thanks a million for the swift answer Ansky!

This is a little bit of an amateurish question

TheGeek is such a noob.

TheGeek is such a noob.

I truly am. I kind of feel bad that Ansky is taking time away from important stuff like buying 2k trainers to help my feeble uNL mind.

love this format guys keep it up

Against teh 100% cbet type in that spot, I'd probably just jam, but vs more controlled players I might flat. I'd also flat and jam turn vs the really crazy guys too sometimes. The more sane they are the more likely i would be to fold to a turn barrel on various cards

Thank you Dani for responding to both questions, very helpful, great series.

This dude must be pro

There's no point in wasting some one else's time by asking questions you can solve yourself with pokerstove, standard(ish) 6max UTG range 22+,A2s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,AJo+,KQo vs ATs = 47.817% and CO range 22+,A2s+,KTs+,QTs+,J9s+,T8s+,98s,ATo+,KJo+,QJo vs ATo = 47.941%. Flopping small sets in 3bet pots is good, Cbetting 2 outers in 3bet pots vs a range of over pairs and suited over cards is bad = 3betting small PPs is fine as long as you realize you're set mining vs top pairs at an SPR where they're more likely to stack off and balancing your check/fold flop range at an SPR where they're more likely to check behind to reach showdown and give you an additional street of equity. Furthermore, 3betting small PPs is often more of a function of the BB who either A) isn't over calling and giving value or B) squeezing and not letting you see a flop therefore 22 is effectively the top of your folding range and the bottom of your 3betting range based on table dynamics where 22 is a call 100% of the time by comparison in the BB.

@Ansky

In a hypothetical situation where you're in the SB between Sauce123 on the button and AEJones in the big blind, do you think 3bet merging your range vs Sauce123 (i.e. 3bet or fold in the SB) or calling your top polar value range (AK, QQ+ etc.) and unbalancing your 3bet range in order to exploit AEJones is the preferable adjustment? If you think calling the top polar value range is preferable, and considering they know calling the top polar value range is the standard adjustment in their eyes, do you think your perceived check/raising range vs the button is stronger in their eyes as well if you continue to call with a squeezer behind presumably with a wider value range? Do you think 3bet merging as a standard in that line up is advisable, or in general advisable, based on the exploitability of your calling range in that position and inability to balance your calling range for HU without playing a wider range of hands that either makes your calling range more exploitable to squeezing pre-flop and are likely -EV other than for the sake of said balance?

In a second hypothetical situation, where you're on the button, Luckychewy is raising 30% of hands in the CO and Sauce123 and AEJones are in the blinds (i.e. LAGG regular in the CO, squeezers in the blinds) do you think 75s is a profitable call in position or a necessary call in position for balance? Considering some regulars will call here with 75s and some regulars wont, and considering these hands rarely, if ever, go to showdown without either coin flipping on the flop, filling up or turning into a bluff on the river do you think we can still realistically represent them in our perceived range even when we're not necessarily playing with them?

In general, do you bother to increase your calling range vs. UTG raisers when you're in the CO or BB as opposed to MP or SB respectively considering your absolute or relative position improves against the UTG raiser (assume Lucky Chewy, Sauce123 and AEJones are behind your CO for the sake of argument)? What tweener hands or equity categories do you think become playable here if any, does the EV of set mining significantly increase from the SB to the BB for you etc.?

Thanks for answering any of that.

While I don't disagree with your theoretical explanation as to why it might be unprofitable, I was hoping you might look into the actual results using yours or another large database. I am sure that postflop play will creep in to some extent but give it a try and post a screen shot if you can.

I don't have a database with a large sample (since I don't play the small ones to 3bets 100 deep) but I have done math and a pokerazor analysis to show that pure setmining against a 3bet (of various ranges) shows a loss.

I understand that you may not be implying a pure set mine strategy but I thought I'd throw the math on that out there.

I don't have a database with a large sample (since I don't play the small ones to 3bets 100 deep) but I have done math and a pokerazor analysis to show that pure setmining against a 3bet (of various ranges) shows a loss.

I understand that you may not be implying a pure set mine strategy but I thought I'd throw the math on that out there.

Out of curiously, at what 3bet size is pure set mining profitable? Is 9x 3bet vs 2.5x raise with 22 or 8x 3bet vs 2x raise a call? Sorry for asking, I suck at math.

Out of curiously, at what 3bet size is pure set mining profitable? Is 9x 3bet vs 2.5x raise with 22 or 8x 3bet vs 2x raise a call? Sorry for asking, I suck at math.

Will re-run those calcs in a day or so when I have access to my other PC.

Blah,

Please stop interrupting Dani.

I vote for switch it up

Blah,
Please stop interrupting Dani.

well played