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The main villain in this hand seems like he's normally a nightmare to play against post-flop both in and out of position. Villain is definitely a reg in these games. He plays very loose, calling lots of pre-flop raises both in and out of position and makes a lot of moves post-flop. He also occasionally limps big pocket pairs and AK to limp/reraise and he balances that by limp/reraising with trash and offsuit connectors. He floats a lot to bluff turns + rivers, I've seen him check-raise bluff a paired and flushed board over 2 people with a busted straight draw and get looked up. He's definitely capable of turning marginal hands into bluffs and making hero calls. Very good hand reader. Up until this hand played out, I had not seem him make a really big move for over 150 BBs.

The most recent pot we played is when the game was 4-handed, he limped UTG, BU folded, I made it $50 from the SB with A 9 , he limp/reraised me to $150, I called. Flop was A T 6 , i c/call $150, turn is an 8 , it went check/check, river is a K and it went check/check and he showed JTo.

Game is playing 4-handed right now

Hero has $5,000 in his stack and villain covers

Hero is dealt J 9 on the BU. CO limps, Hero makes it $40, SB calls, villain in the BB calls, CO calls.

$160 pot

Flop is 6 8 T

Checks to hero on the BU, hero checks behind

Turn is Q

Checks to CO who gay bets $50, Hero makes it $180, SB folds, villain in the BB makes it $500 to go, CO folds, Hero raises to $1300, villain thinks for a minute and calls

River is K

Pot is $2,190, Hero has $3,480 behind

Villain thinks for a minute and checks

Hero?

I'm well aware that my hand is completely face up at this point after the 4-bet on the turn so villain has to know exactly what I have. How do I play this river? I know that there's plenty of worse hands that could call my last raise on the turn (79 with a flush redraw, 79 looking to bluff a good river, set looking to boat up) and it's also possible he has the same hand as me but it's unlikely that he's freerolling as I'm pretty sure he just gets it all in on the turn if he's freerolling

Been up for 24 hours straight and just finished a very long session so my thoughts might not be articulated very well lol

Edit post is being goofy right now.

For river plays, should we bet biggish to fold a possible chop and rep J 9 in the event our opponent doesn't have it, should we bet small to induce a CRAI bluff from a hand like a set that didn't boat up or 79?

Not sure how comfortable I'd be calling it off if he check/shoves on me, but I really don't think he's freerolling me on the turn cause I think he would just get it in...

check behind?

Seems from hand 1. That in these river situations. He is not spazzing around with weak SD value.

Also your turn raise. I consider it too small. 3x + what is already in the pot is a potsized raise. You are betting under half pot. Giving everybody tons of equity with random draws. Regarding your reraise on the flop. I would reraise more. And also because you are as deep as you are.

When the third flush card comes. Potentially this could improve both your perceived ranges. So if you go for a value bet, it is likely, that you are less to be paid off to weakish holding. So check behind for pot control. Because bet folding is not really an attractive obtion with so strong a hand.

I'm well aware that my hand is completely face up at this point after the 4-bet on the turn so villain has to know exactly what I have.

Wow seriously?

If that were actually true, then this would be an easy check behind, since he expects you to value bet and would check flushes, and wouldn't check-raise bluff the river to get you off J9 often enough to make a bet-call profitable.

But if you really think your hand is face up, that's just a serious hole in your game... either semi-bluff 4bet turns more (hint: it would be good against this guy), or if you don't want to do that, then consider flatting the turn since you have position. i know there are many scare cards but if you're REALLY face up (you see i still don't really believe you), then it's better because a) on many blanks you make a bet and then his call of a raise - that means any 2-5, K, or A non club or heart. guess that isn't many cards. Also, he might make a worse straight and then you make more money as well. Lastly, he might continue bluffing with a ton of missed draws and you make the $800 on the river anyway. So if he's never shoving worse on the turn and you're incapable of having anything but J9, you should be calling here all day.

How is this even a difficult decision - your hand is face up so he will not call with worse and has the opportunity to check-call, check-fold and check-raise with perfect balance. You should probably bet larger on the turn and think about what hands you might include as bluffs in this spot.

Unless you think your opponent is a drooler it seems that you should just check back here unless you want to start some crazy dynamic whereby overbet shoving or bet/calling becomes better than +/-0EV. Against this opponent I advise against that crazy dynamic.

some people seem to be focusing specifically on J9hh, but its not like he can't have some other flushes in his range like AJhh which is double gutted on the turn, or QThh which figures it has 15 outs to beat you.

I would probably just check here as its pretty hard to get value from worse if he actually thinks your range is essentially nutted on the turn