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No, simply because he check/raised the river. If we were viewed as a station on the river ,he's gona just bet there waaaay more often..

But if we were viewed as a station, he wouldn't be trying to bluff us at all. And whether or not we're viewed as a station is sort of irrelevent in his decision as to whether he wants to lead or go for a c/r - the deciding factor is how often he can expect us to bet the river ourselves. i.e. if we're viewed as station and he thinks we won't bet the river, he leads. If we're viewed as a station and he thinks we will bet the river, he c/r's. Our stationy tendencies are completely separate from our perceived river betting frequency.

Also, hes unknown, so he might not even be thinking about how often we bet the river ourselves. He could just be thinking "big hand, I'll try to c/r to get paid more for my hand." I do agree that it's a weird line to take for value, and I'm not saying I know how often he can expect us to bet the river, or whether I think calling is best of folding is best, but what I disagree with is the reasoning that the more we're viewed as a station, the more it's call. I'm confident that if we're viewed as a station, he's less likely to be bluffing us at all, and that includes with river c/r.

there is a massive difference in calling a single bet on the river and calling a 'river check/raise'.

What if your playing vrs a reg that will call a single bet, in medium sized pots on the river with a medium hand. but wont ever bet/call the river without the nuts.i know what id be thinking when hero makes that thin value bet.

What if your playing vrs a reg that will call a single bet, in medium sized pots on the river with a medium hand. but wont ever bet/call the river without the nuts.i know what id be thinking when hero makes that thin value bet.

but you wouldnt be a station if you never bet/called the river without the nuts. . .

Was just thinking about one other thing in this hand that could have been going on.Would like to here OPs thoughts on this.
Do you think he could have been going for a c/r on the flop with a flushdraw, checked the turn hoping you bet, then when you check behind it looks like you have sd value and might bet the river if he checks again.(i mean when you check/back the turn there, you should always have weak sd value that you bet/ or air you might stab with but nothing your calling with)
This could be a very creditable way of him getting here with a flush.

Was just thinking about one other thing in this hand that could have been going on.Would like to here OPs thoughts on this.
Do you think he could have been going for a c/r on the flop with a flushdraw, checked the turn hoping you bet, then when you check behind it looks like you have sd value and might bet the river if he checks again.(i mean when you check/back the turn there, you should always have weak sd value that you bet/ or air you might stab with but nothing your calling with)
This could be a very creditable way of him getting here with a flush.

hero bet the turn

hero bet the turn

right my bad, I'l stick with my first thought so, just cant see what value hands he's taking a c/c c/r line with

wow I was so bad at poker a year ago.

What did you end up doing in the hand?

What did you end up doing in the hand?

I tank folded, but really this is the easiest call ever.

I tank folded, but really this is the easiest call ever.

pussy

Since it is bvb and you are the bb you have ultimate position pre flop and all future streets its 4 handed (wider ranges) wouldn't a decision to 3 bet pre flop yield valuable information that would polarize villains range as a result of the action pre, otf, ott, otr? Or is A9os only good enough to call with in position w/o reads?

I tank folded, but really this is the easiest call ever.

What changed in your understanding of the game to make it an easy call now?

What changed in your understanding of the game to make it an easy call now?

Just studying a ton and thinking about my perceived range.image more.

Could you explain your thought process then? Considering the various points discussed in the thread, I still find the decision very close.
I find the original post of NoWayFolding very clever ; however, even though Vilain can't rep too many value hands, it seems like a gross spot to bluff + the sizing of the CR is somewhat concerning, as Duffte mentioned. IDK, would vilain really bluff so often knowing it will be tough for you to give him credit?
This is why knowing how vilain might perceive you (for instance, if you're a 'river nit') could be very relevant.


Obv I'm a small-midstakes grinder, and am not used to high stakes dynamics, but I would really love to understand more about this hand .