benny1978
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Hi Dany,
I often get critasised for calling to much in 3 bet pots OOP. I realise its wrong to do it with small pairs as you have poor equity etc.
But what about the hands like KQs+, 88- JJ. Is it best to call and take a flop OOP with these hands rather than 4bet folding?
I know if were happy to get it in then come over the top and hopefully be good.
But then were turning decent hands into bluffs if we are folding to a 5bet.
Can you explain whats best to do in these typical situations as if a nit 3 bets you and an aggro reg does it.....does this differ in your decision making?
Sry if that was ramberling and makes no sense!
P.S - Great to see you making vids for dueces cracked. Legendry skills.
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halvadron
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Ansky
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Hi Dany,
I often get critasised for calling to much in 3 bet pots OOP. I realise its wrong to do it with small pairs as you have poor equity etc.
But what about the hands like KQs+, 88- JJ. Is it best to call and take a flop OOP with these hands rather than 4bet folding?
I know if were happy to get it in then come over the top and hopefully be good.
But then were turning decent hands into bluffs if we are folding to a 5bet.
Can you explain whats best to do in these typical situations as if a nit 3 bets you and an aggro reg does it.....does this differ in your decision making?
Sry if that was ramberling and makes no sense!
P.S - Great to see you making vids for dueces cracked. Legendry skills.
I'd never value-4b and fold to a 5b... so if i had hands i wasnt sure what id want to do vs a 5b i'd likely just flat with them.
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AlCapown3d
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I'd never value-4b and fold to a 5b...
Against some players that 3bet with a high frequency, call 4bets with a high frequency and 5bet with a low frequency value 4bet/folding hands like JJ,TT,AQ can actually make sense even though it feels really dumb to do so.
A bonus is when such a hand goes to showdown, they think you 4bet/call with a wider value range than you´d actually do and therefore won´t 5bet bluff you anyway.
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consuellas_revenge
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TheChosenOne
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Interesting thoughts on determining whether you would be correct in calling based on the hand he showed down.
Do you think you were necessarily wrong here based on the fact that he didn't bluff? It could be that villain is still bluffing at a high enough frequency with the exact same holding but that he bases his action on his mood. I mean he thought about it, I think it could have gone either way.
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Ansky
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Interesting thoughts on determining whether you would be correct in calling based on the hand he showed down.
Do you think you were necessarily wrong here based on the fact that he didn't bluff? It could be that villain is still bluffing at a high enough frequency with the exact same holding but that he bases his action on his mood. I mean he thought about it, I think it could have gone either way.
I agree, I wasn't saying I thought it should be thought about one way or the other, just that I was contemplating both sides of the coin. Like I said though, I tend to think that if you think your opponent is going to be bluffing river enough with his air hands, and he checks an air hand, you typically were making a mistake.
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Dead-Inside
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I agree, I wasn't saying I thought it should be thought about one way or the other, just that I was contemplating both sides of the coin. Like I said though, I tend to think that if you think your opponent is going to be bluffing river enough with his air hands, and he checks an air hand, you typically were making a mistake.
I laughed when I heard you talk about that because that's exactly what I say to myself. "Yeah, uh... yeah I'm gonna call him if he bets I think. Hope he doesn't though", and then he checks air. And I'm like "... well at least I didn't make a bad call this time."
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seek42
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i think theres a pretty strong argument for him check-calling twice with a flush draw and then bluffing on the river when he misses. or making some kind of weird block bet with 9x cc or something. i dont think he would play a set this way just because if was trapping flop and turn he would surely trap the river. since nothing makes sense id click call. the worst that happens is u get info on how he plays Tx or something.
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jjiggster
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Hi Dani,
Big fan of your vids since the pokersavvy days. Just wanted to comment on the J7 suited hand that you played from the small blind. Can a argument be made for betting on the turn? It's true that he can't strictly put you on what you have based on your action on the flop, but once you check the turn you essentially turn your hand face up and give him a good chance to barrel you on the turn and river on most scare cards.
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