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i find this hand interesting so bump. discussed it with OP off-line and we can't ultimately agree on a river decision.

most crucial reads are that villain's 3bet range is perceived to be tight, especially with fish to act behind, and that Wuffi1 is a drooler that bets if checked to close to 100% of the time.

if villain and OP don't have much history, i don't see why leonidas would want to get that tricky here with a set, especially given stack sizes, and check it thrice. seems unlikely.

we are also at the absolute top of our range, our hand is severely underreped, he is literary repping 6 hands and folding seems exploitable.

fair enough....ill argue for calling

1) our hand is really underepped and i am pretty sure he is not putting us on a set so if he is operating under that assumption - we should be more inclined to call. like i said, i believe we are close to the absolute top of our value range
2) hinging on that assumption and given with the line that we took - our river range should be compromised of mostly one pair type hands that can't stand a shove
3) he never plays something like AK like that so he is certainly not c/ring one pair for value, but if he is capable of checking thrice with kk/jj - i think he can do it with KQ as well
4) who checks the nuts thrice.....if he doesnt have history with OP why does he expect him to bet

Interesting hand.
I would call on the simple basis that you have trips and your hand is somewhat underrepped he cant possibly expect you to check trips in position on turn (by the way why did you? you cant live your life in fear of an overset).
His check raise on the river would suggest you are in trouble but if he is a thinking player he could be trying an elaborate bluff as he doesnt put you on much or he could be value betting kq (kq does look like its good here given the action)
Having said all that KK or QQ makes sense for him the 3-bet pre flop then he would only call on the flop as he wants to keep the fishy player in. On the turn he checks letting you value cut/bluff yourself and on the river he prob thinks the only way to get more money is to give you another chance to bluff/value but yourself.
All in all ive confused myself whilst writing this - your hand is so big and under repped you have to call however i think he may well have you beat. Still set over set is a cooler and it would be difficult not to go broke here. What did he have?

i call here but i'm not really happy about it...

that was my thinking xorbie. thing is - there aren't that many players that are willing to turn made hands into bluffs on river this deep, but if he is good, its possible.

afraid that there won't be results for this hand....