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I think ur way off on this one improva. If villain is good at hand reading, he's gonna snap with his whole valuebetting range imo.

I like calling.

I only like shoving if he is range merging on the river.

I play everything the same and fold the river. I raise flop a small % of the time and jam over a 3-bet.

Well I'm eternally confused now. I guess the default play is fold the river, but there is converse argument to call? Would it boil down to history and wether the opponent has a history of 3 barrelling?

I think villain would have to be pretty relentless aggro for me to call river

I think villain would have to be pretty relentless aggro for me to call river

What is the worst hand you would bluff catch with on the river?

Here is my analysis for what its worth.
Firstly dont like the call preflop - why do you want to want to play a trash hand like q6 against a potentially tricky player?
I know its short handed but you still dont have to play q6 here. Think about it you flopped an ideal flop and youve got yourself in a mess. If you want to play q6 that badly then wait till you are the agressor. You could 3 bet preflop as a bluff but really i would advise a fold.

On the flop i would generally call and sonetimes raise - but the call is fine.
On the turn i would definitley call - you could be ahead and you have a chance to hit a well disguised two pair or trips and he may not even expect you to call that much on a flush draw. I think a raise is bad - you are unlikely to fold out any better hands and if you get action you are typically going to to be a big dog with a maximum of 14 outs on the river (often less).

On the river fold. In my experience of 10/20 short handed and i play it quite a bit generally if your opponent puts you on an ace they often give up on the river as they dont expect you to fold it. However he could be bluffing but then look at the board - its very hard for him not to have anything that he could check down (and its very easy for him to have a big ace, two pair a straight etc). Its true he may have half a hand that hes turned into a bluff but the fact he can check down any pair and have the hope of beating a missed draw makes it less likely he will bluff.

OK, I'm with kdjohnson on this one. That's my basic default thinking on this hand.

I think ur way off on this one improva. If villain is good at hand reading, he's gonna snap with his whole valuebetting range imo.

I like calling.

I'm like to be a little too used to play in monkey aggro euro games.

What is the worst hand you would bluff catch with on the river?

Offhand I think A9, or maybe AJ depending on game flow

If you supply villains name in your post there is a chance I can help you with some reads. Now I'm just guessing a little.

PREFLOP
Against most players pretty standard. We are going to flop bluff catchers and draws and against a laggy players and 3-handed that is pretty sweet.

FLOP
On this flop he might think that it is hard for you to have a strong hand since you are likely to be 3-betting AJ+ preflop? But I dont really know how you play or how he expects you to be playing.. But once you just call his c-bet your range is capped and he is going to barrel the turn.

TURN
If you call the turn it is either because you expect him to reach the town called Honesty on the river OR to continue bluffing.

When you call your hand looks like A no kicker. If he is aggro you are going to be put under pressure on the river.

RIVER
If he is merging ranges on the river I like a shove. If not I would just call.

I'm not really a fan of analyzing hands this way. The assumptions you make about hand ranges for one street do not make sense for the action on another. If we are 3betting so wide that AJ+ is an auto 3bet, we cannot also call hands like Q6s on a regular basis. Why would calling the flop lead to a capped range? If he is going to autobarrel the turn whenever I call the flop, it is most likely more +EV to smooth a good hand rather than raise.

If we are 3betting so wide that AJ+ is an auto 3bet, we cannot also call hands like Q6s on a regular basis.

True if we worry about balance. IP against a player with a wide range I'm more likely to leave the table than to worry about balance. A balanced range is from a theoretical perspective almost always sub-optimal. We should adjust our range so that it fits our postflop strategy. I'm not saying that I would not call here with AJ or AA. Well, I think you know what I mean.

Why would calling the flop lead to a capped range?

Because the flop is draw heavy. Our perceived range gets capped. Villain expects us to raise the flop with our strong hands.

If he is going to autobarrel the turn whenever I call the flop, it is most likely more +EV to smooth a good hand rather than raise.

I agree. If we know he has that habit postflop I love a smooth call preflop with hands like AJ, KJ, KQ, AQ (and my true range on the turn would not be capped because would slow play a lot to get the most out of his weak range).

What strong hands can we even have on this flop? There's very few combinations given your regular 3betting range and you are going to have very many weak top pair or second pair hands. So why raise a lot on this flop to begin with, when it makes the vast majority of your range impossible to play?