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5/10 6m vs very good player


zankaa

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so i played this hand today, sry for not having the HH but anyways.


I pick upp AA
It folds around to me in SB and i open to 30, BB call

Flop JT4o

i cbet 45 he calls

Turn 6o

i bet 120 he calls

river 9o

i bet 290 he jams 950

so the pot is like, 1.6k and its 660 for me to call.

the only history we have is we played HU for like 10min before i realized who he was, he playes up to 50/100 i think and he havent been to out of line in this 6max game ( about 50 hands )

So, i havent played to much vs player of this caliber but i figure he prob cant jam like a set here at 5/10 and show a profit since he seem to have a clean image etc. And if thats true, AA = set...
And i guess im a bit lost here cause the only hands he reps are KQ or 98 and I think he is good enough to know how strong this move looks.
Also, is it more of a call with say AA or KK than it is with JJ since now he can have more hands like QJ, KJ, AJ that he can turn into a bluff?

/ pontus

Posted over 1 year ago

BalugaWhale

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my initial thought is that nobody expects anyone to fold in these spots, he can definitely jam with a set here, its blind vs blind, youve been non-stop aggression, unless hes a suicidally aggressive guy, i cant see how this isnt just a fold.

Posted over 1 year ago

Hielko

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QJ, KJ, AJ that he can turn into a bluff?


I don't think those hands will turn themself in a bluff blind vs blind. If he's going to do that I expect to see Tx.

Posted over 1 year ago

Schweig

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Also, how does JJ not remove the combos of AJ, KJ, QJ? Not that I agree he turns them into bluffs. TPTK has way too much showdown value to be turned into a bluff here.

Posted over 1 year ago

KRANTZ

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seems like easy fold, no reason to think he's bluffing or even inclined to bluff here

Posted over 1 year ago

fslexcduck

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i think it's an easy fold and honestly i much prefer check calling a smallish bet and folding to a big one on the river. i dont think he expects you to bluff 3 with this board, but he might value cut himself with worse if you check (or turn a weak pair into a bluff)

Posted over 1 year ago

BalugaWhale

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bleh i dunno Vanessa, given we have AA there's not too many hands he has that v-cuts and he never turns a weak pair into a bluff at this point i think. but i could be wrong. in theory i like it though, or if we had QQ instead.

Posted over 1 year ago

1BYONE

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bleh i dunno Vanessa, given we have AA there's not too many hands he has that v-cuts and he never turns a weak pair into a bluff at this point i think. but i could be wrong. in theory i like it though, or if we had QQ instead.



just between brackets, what does v-cuts means?

Posted over 1 year ago

stanmore

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@1BYONE "v-cuts" he was referring to value cutting like th'Duck was referring to in her post just above.

I don't know what they're talking about though so I'm'a slink back to the uNL forums...

Posted over 1 year ago

KRANTZ

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i think it's an easy fold and honestly i much prefer check calling a smallish bet and folding to a big one on the river. i dont think he expects you to bluff 3 with this board, but he might value cut himself with worse if you check (or turn a weak pair into a bluff)



checking the river is really bad without a read here, no way you should ever, ever be expecting anyone to turn a weak pair into a bluff without a read in this situation.

Posted over 1 year ago

fslexcduck

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well then i think check/folding is better in that case. do you really think one pair pays us off very often here? i feel like decent players expect us to 3 barrel bluff this board <5% of the time, and because of that, we're just going to value-own ourselves by betting this river.

Posted over 1 year ago

kolo

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well then i think check/folding is better in that case. do you really think one pair pays us off very often here? i feel like decent players expect us to 3 barrel bluff this board <5% of the time, and because of that, we're just going to value-own ourselves by betting this river.



my first though was check/decide based on sizing but not sure if I am just being results orientated

Posted over 1 year ago

hayes13

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checking the river is really bad without a read here, no way you should ever, ever be expecting anyone to turn a weak pair into a bluff without a read in this situation.



I just really like the how punctual this sentence is.

Posted over 1 year ago

ceegee

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In a tiurnament I can definitely agree that this is a check call, but in a cash game I think you would need a read that villain will value thin or take a stab at this hand. Too many hands call a bet but won't value imo

Posted over 1 year ago

rrumsey

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i think we can check call any reasonable bet. everything changes if we have reads thou. against an unknown im more inclined to play it safe here

Posted over 1 year ago




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