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xpost on 2p2's hsnl.

so I was playing a 10/20 nlhe game at bellagio few days ago and this hand came up.

A little background info, it's a must move game, I just sat down, no reads on anyone whatsoever, effective stack between me and the villain is about 150bb deep. Villain is like a mid-eastern guy, in late 20s I assume, looks a lot like an internet player rather than a live player but dont' quote me on this.

utg (mid age old white guy) opens to 80, folds to me in co with K2hh, I flat

both blinds called(villain is in sb)

flop $320: Kd Ks 2d (ching ching!)

sb checks
bb checks
utg (pfr) cbets 110
I instant call hoping to signal that I'm on a fd.
both blinds call!

Turn $760: 5h

sb leads out $580
bb folds
utg tanks for a bit and folds


now here's the interesting spot: while I was thinking about how to extract most value from sb, I don't know if he did it on purpose or totally forgot that I was still in the hand, sb flips over one of his hole cards, which is a king!

I was shocked and asked him what's going on and why he showed his hand, he didn't say anything. Now what do I do?

Here's what's on my mind:

1. if i just ship here, i think he's folding majority of time but who knows.

2. if i just call (which is also weird cuz why would I call my "fd" when I've seen his K", and river bricks, is he check/folding or c/c or b/f or b/c knowing that I've seen his king. There's no reason for me to try to bluff his top trips off unless I'm a crazy maniac but Im new to table.

I feel like I kind of got a bad beat by his action here. what's the most optimal play here?

That´s a f*** gross spot.

Anyway - his hand is still alive after Villain showed one card? In this case I´d seriously consider to show him the K as well, sigh gently, ask him "AK, huh?", think for another 15 seconds, ask the dealer if the rake is already capped in case you shove and split and eventually tell him "OK, let´s do it!" and then shove. I guess it´s much more likely for him to put you on KQ, KJ and try to get him off his K than that he´s assuming to be beaten by K2/K5.

My first intention was to show him the deuce but that essentially reps 22. But when you show him a K - as long as you´re allowed to do so - I doubt that he has a chance to get away from it ...

That´s a f*** gross spot.

Anyway - his hand is still alive after Villain showed one card? In this case I´d seriously consider to show him the K as well, sigh gently, ask him "AK, huh?", think for another 15 seconds, ask the dealer if the rake is already capped in case you shove and split and eventually tell him "OK, let´s do it!" and then shove. I guess it´s much more likely for him to put you on KQ, KJ and try to get him off his K than that he´s assuming to be beaten by K2/K5.

My first intention was to show him the deuce but that essentially reps 22. But when you show him a K - as long as you´re allowed to do so - I doubt that he has a chance to get away from it ...

That is quality. Love it.

I'm inclined to call and bet the river on the smaller side. Bit of a face-up play, but just don't give people credit for folding trips with a good kicker.

I´m interested in what happened - would you mind to tell us?

That is quality. Love it.

+ 1

I don't play NL let alone live NL so take this with a grain of salt but I think if he seems to think your pretty good you may as well shove and hope he levels himself into thinking you'd try and push him off with a FD repping something better.
I can't see you being beat here, just doesn't make any sense to lead with the nuts or even have it cold calling in the SB pre-f.
I don't think he achieves a whole lot by showing you his K either unless he knows exactly how you'll respond to seeing it, i.e if he knows for sure you'd never ever semi-bluff.

we have been discussing this hand a lot in our house in vegas and the overall consensus seems to like tank/shoving, as some have said in the cross post


enough people claim to have seen this move followed by calling a shove anyways that it seems to be the best move.

he's probably not going to bet again on the river since its so hard for him to get called by worse (would have to be worse Kx, which would be tough to have and make the call with) so it's not like we get more value from our hand than we do by raising turn.

i love this hand.

here's what happened:

I tanked for 2 minutes trying to figure out the most optimal play, didn't even think about showing my King...(really good advice on that one tbh), then I shoved. He then went into tank for literally over 3 mins, I called clock on him, he reluctantly mucked. Table went a little crazy, all table was convinced that I had 22 in my hand (close lol). sigh...

Truth be told I'd raise small (maybe minraise) here after it was clear that I'd seen his card, not sure if it's the best play but it's the same thing I'd do as a bluff after I'd seen him flip one card.