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Thoughts on leading in eastgates spot on the flop to avoid giving away his hand so fast in a lot of scenarios when he checks ?

I'm not really sure how I feel about how bad Barry's fold is in a vacuum, I am sure that Peter's fold is horrible, and I am really sure that Tom's play is straight up nasty.

Krantz could you please explain why Tom's play is bad.

He is repping such huge strength here, and while Tom maybe insane, just noone should often bluff in a spot like this, and all Peter has is a bluff catcher, especially when Barry's hand is seemingly face up as an overpair; is Tom really bluffing often enough in order for calling down/gettig it all in to be profitable?

That said if you think Peter folds is terrible (and you wouldnt fold) what hand would you still be willing to get it all in here with. AT?

I meant nasty as in nasty = damn awesome.

Thoughts on leading in eastgates spot on the flop to avoid giving away his hand so fast in a lot of scenarios when he checks ?

I think this would prob be the best way to make the most money in a wide distribution of scenarios, yah. I haven't really followed any of the media coverage of this hand but I wonder if anyone ever thought to suggest this yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4pe5_J_PAw&feature=related
at 36:50

KRANTZ, Eastgates fold being horrible and Dwans play being damn awesome is contradicting.

What do people think about Barry's intial bet on the flop? My gut reaction is that he should check with his entire range here when everyone is this deep. But I'm a limidonk, so what do I know?

Whether or not Durrr fires the river is the coolest part of the hand IMO.

Barry played it awful. They are playing 4/8 with a 200 ante. So there is something like 3K in there PF. I have never played with antes, but I assume this game would play in size very much like 1K/2K. So Barry just folded the absolute top of his range 100BB deep vs Durrr on the assumption that Durrr is not bluffing enough to call with a bluff catcher. This is pretty much horrible against a guy like Durrr.

Another thing to point out is that Barry is not super deep and opened UTG. Durrr does not have as many deuces in his range. TT is more likely than a 2.

I thought the timing in which Peter folded the turn was interesting and I have to disagree with your assumption about him not being scared money Jay. Given the time he had been taking to make the rest of his decisions I think he just tossed this one because he knew he was not going to put any more money in the pot after he called the flop. Unless, of course, the action when down differently. Again, folding the top of your range against a player who is capable of firing in the face of extreme strength is generally just a bad idea, unless you can own the meta-game.

Durrr's flop play is definitely interesting. I doubt Barry re-bluffs him or floats him light on this flop, so by raising the flop small like he did it obv turns his hand into a bluff, but is probably a better way to play his entire range in this spot. What are your thoughts Jay on Durrr's flop decision?

KRANTZ, Eastgates fold being horrible and Dwans play being damn awesome is contradicting.

Not at all.

Durrr's flop play is definitely interesting. I doubt Barry re-bluffs him or floats him light on this flop, so by raising the flop small like he did it obv turns his hand into a bluff, but is probably a better way to play his entire range in this spot. What are your thoughts Jay on Durrr's flop decision?

I don't know, I've gone back and forth on it. I was pretty sure that he plays this hand straight up really often especially considering he's often going to be HU against Barry when no one has 2x (so the raise isn't going to be really effective unless he ends up in the exact situation he did here). But flawless is convinced he makes this play every time. So yeah.

Ok I'm going to refute a lot of really bad points here... sorry guys :-)



That's just not true, he made a weak play without really thinking it through but Eastgate played nosebleeds before he won the Main Event and after a multi-million dollar payday, he's going to be way less scared than he was before.

Also, I doubt Tom would ever 3-bet TT preflop (with regards to your other point).

Just thought id defend my "clearly terrible points". Eastgate has had a big cash and i know hes played high stakes before but has he ever sat with half a million in front of him? Even if he has $10million in the bank this decision could still threaten 5% of his roll. If this was a 10/20 game and eastgate has to make a decision for $10k do you really think he folds here? The reason Durrrs play is so effective is that the stakes are so big and the cash actually matters to the players. Secondly i accept your point on reflection maybe he doesnt 3 bet 10s here that often but it is still a consideration that would surely run through your head when trying to figure out what he has.

I think my main point is just because the most aggressive player on the table raises the flop on a dry board and continuation bets the turn you cant just assume he has the nuts

Not at all.

Then you're basically saying Eastgate is a horrible poker player relative to the line up?

I think B Greenstien's fold on the river is horrible. Obviously on 1022 - Eastgate is floding a 2 on the turn so what hand is Dwann represinting? Doubt he would play 1010 top set that way so he either has Q2s to A2s - Since Barry has AA , there are not many combinations of hands that Dwann can have. Greenstein's fold on the turn w such good odds and no more money behind v a hyper agro monkey is beyond bad.

Then you're basically saying Eastgate is a horrible poker player relative to the line up?

I'm saying that he shouldn't have folded and it's a testament to how "in his head" Tom was that he made that bluff successfully.

I'm saying that he shouldn't have folded and it's a testament to how "in his head" Tom was that he made that bluff successfully.

Or just how lucky Tom was that Eastgate had the bottom end of his range here.