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This one seemed butchered.

I raise AJs to $150. Villain RR to $500. I call. He seems competent, but hasn't been reraising too much. Flop 383r, Chk Chk. Turn Ao. He chks, I bet $650, He C/R to $2150. I call. River To. He shoves for $2425. I call.

Berate me please.

this one is so weird. Seems like the nuts or nothing.

Why the villain doesn't bet a better ace on the flop is beyond me.

I probably play this one the same.

i dont play this high so im throwing in my thoughts to see why i may be way off.

Once we call his turn raise and his river bet left is so small that it seems we are calling 100%, how could he really be bluffing? (or turning something small into a bluff)

I think you can just fold to the turn c/r to be utterly honest. I just never see anyone bluffing with that line, especially competent players.

Definitely fold the river if you call the turn, but I REALLY think you can fold the turn.

I agree with krantz. He could easily have 88, AQ, AK, AA.

I think you can just fold to the turn c/r to be utterly honest. I just never see anyone bluffing with that line, especially competent players.

Definitely fold the river if you call the turn, but I REALLY think you can fold the turn.

Yes, was going to say the river looks like a definite fold. I dont think the turn can be a fold, though, especially against someone competent. Which actually now has me swinging towards the river being a call. I mean, the line 'reraise preflop, chkchk flop, c/r turn' looks pretty FOS to me, no? Or at least he has to suspect you think he's FOS and therefore calling him lightly on the turn. And therefore he can certainly bluff the river if he was bluffing the turn (although odds are pretty good for you to call, and you could easily have a hand like aces up that you're never folding -- so I think I'm back to folding river for sure but quite possibly not folding the turn).

I just don't ever see people trying to take me off an ace here. Even though it does look FOS, the fact that everyone is too darn scurred to try to move anyone off an ace outweighs all the other bajunky.

I just don't ever see people trying to take me off an ace here. Even though it does look FOS, the fact that everyone is too darn scurred to try to move anyone off an ace outweighs all the other bajunky.

But after preflop action, how often do you have an ace and how often do you have 96s?

I just don't ever see people trying to take me off an ace here. Even though it does look FOS, the fact that everyone is too darn scurred to try to move anyone off an ace outweighs all the other bajunky.
But after preflop action, how often do you have an ace and how often do you have 96s?

more often the ace! way more often

I dont play this high either, but from my experience this is almost always a huge hand slowplayed on the flop. Turn is pretty tough to fold, but river should be folded IMO. I think he knows you hit the A by checking flop and then calling the CR on turn. Therefore he usually wouldnt try and move you off an A hand. I agree with what Krantz said.

I agree I don't think he's every trying to move you off an ace here. River is definitely a fold.

I c/b turn a lot given how dry it is...as played on turn i would fold river even though it feels gross

I can definitely see villain playing AQ-AK and AA this way. With AQ/AK, it is a pretty good flop for him to check and potentially induce bluffs from worse unpaired hands. Also, he may not c-bet AK/AQ heads up if he is worried you will float him on such a dry board.

After you call the turn checkraise, there is no reason to think villain is shoving the river with a worse hand since I think your hand is pretty well defined as Ax and you are getting good odds. That said I doubt that it is correct to call the c/r if you don't plan to stack off, so I think the turn is a fold.

I actually feel like I would check back on the turn a decent amount of the time just because I don't really expect villain to have anything to call us with, and we might induce on the river. Is that overthinking?

I don't see you being good nearly enough of the time for making call/call profitable

I think with 88/33/AA he would bet that flop for sure against you. He could be pot controlling with something like A8 though.

I don't think he'd check/raise with AQ/AK on the turn on such a dry board and against a bluffy (?) player. He folds out so many garbage hands, and potentially even weaker aces. Would you valuebet Ax on the river if he check/calls turn and checks river? Imo the best way to play AK/AQ is then to just check/call the turn.

So I think he either has A8 or nothing. So I'd call too, but I tend to give people no respect (and quite often they don't deserve it either )