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I guess i dont have to give read on this opponents cos u propably know them.
My image is solid, rather nitty (tight passive ? ), Deldar knows that, but i dont think that he is raising here with pure air having that guy behind him
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Few rounds earlier i doubled him up QQ vs KK (CO vs but) all in pf
than doubled up- cc J9s on but, called cbet on AQT, turn 8 and was against Barbarossa's AA.

We are 200bb deep, whats the best line here ??


Poker Stars $25/$50 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 11944
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

BTN: $6619.00
SB: $5472.00
BB: $9586.00
Hero (UTG): $10685.00
CO: $9910.00

Pre Flop: ($75.00) Hero is UTG with A A
Hero raises to $150, CO calls $150, BTN calls $150, 2 folds

Flop: ($525.00) 2 7 8 (3 players)
Hero bets $350, CO raises to $1150, BTN calls $1150

Final Pot: $3175.00

reads would be nice, not everyone that replies will have experience with the villian(s) and even if they do their reads and your reads might differ, so it's good for us to see what YOU think of them.

i don't know villians at all but if btn's coldcall doesn't make this a fold than i'd 3-bet to about 3100 and get it in.

you're way too deep to 3bet this/get it in. i'm calling and playing poker.

thats what I thought

but whats my plan on turn, check/push blank ?
hard to tell whats blank but any 2,3,4,5,Q,K thats not a spade I c/p right ?

what with 5,9, T ? those propably wont give them str8, just pair + str8 dr- should I push them as well ?

whats with 6 or J

and I'm assuming that i check, Deldar bets 2/3pot and 3rd guy folds

i think you're too deep to c/r AI on most turns. i'm checking and probably calling on a good amount of turns, and then making a decision on the river. a spade is much tougher because we have the As, so i think i call the turn as well on most spades. so basically, i'm c/c most turns here. the most interesting part of this hand will probably be the river, depending on how the board plays out. i'm not adverse to bluffing if the board comes crazy and straightened, either... which is why i don't mind keeping the pot more manageable until then. it's mostly b/c we're beat by his value betting hands, but it also keeps the door open for us to bluff, should the opportunity present itself.

i think you're too deep to c/r AI on most turns.

You know the pot will be 4K and stacks will be 9K, right? So if someone bets even half pot, our shove will be less than a PSR.

You know the pot will be 4K and stacks will be 9K, right? So if someone bets even half pot, our shove will be less than a PSR.

but you're still only getting called by better hands, and there's plenty of room for villain to bluff the river, so yes i think a PSB is probably too much.

I don't know. If they bet closer to 3K you'd only be raising 6K into 10K. Of course they'd call with their OESFD or pr+FD or whatever. On a 3 turn, I actually don't think CRAI is such a bad plan, assuming you think they will try to double barrel you off an overpair here. If you don't think so, obviously you can just c/f.

Why are you betting flopp?
Opponent will call you alot with worse?
Opponent will bluff raise you?
Opponent play draws passive? aggressive?

I just wonder if you even think about whats going to happen when you bet? Because thats going to be the fundametion if you are going to continue with hand.

Its not a good board for aces to build a pot on the flopp. Not much worse is going to call you, and if you dont know how opponent will play I suggest you dont build this pot oop.

You should definitely be betting flop here as your default and maybe check once in a while for deception and balance.

As played, I think I probably call and fold to any sort of turn aggression. They have to all be worried that someone else is huge so I don't really see the turn getting bet w/ many hands that you beat. Once in a while you might end up making an incorrect fold vs an oddly played KK-TT but I think folding is still the best play to a turn bet.

You should definitely be betting flop here as your default and maybe check once in a while for deception and balance.

As played, I think I probably call and fold to any sort of turn aggression. They have to all be worried that someone else is huge so I don't really see the turn getting bet w/ many hands that you beat. Once in a while you might end up making an incorrect fold vs an oddly played KK-TT but I think folding is still the best play to a turn bet.

If the turn is checked by all, doesn't the third player have a 'free' bet on the river after u guys have shown so much weakness? Are u planning on ch-c or ch-f the river after turn checks?

heh... tough spot!

i dont fold here... i prob call and check a spade turn and lead/call a blank one and get stacked every time he has a set

I would call the flop as the turn will bring you more information - the pot is somewhat protected by there being three players left. If the turn is a spade you can be pretty sure you are behind then its a case of whether you are getting value to call any turn bets hit to try and hit a bigger flush. Secondly if deldar bets and the other guy pushes you can fold being pretty sure aa is no good. If the turn is a relative blank i would call the bet. I could be wrong but i think by the river your hand is pretty much defined as a big pair given the utg raise and call on the flop given this i dont think the other player will try and make you fold aa and may well check the river. If he pushes the river big i would fold as nobody really expects to make their opponent fold an overpair on a non str8/flushing board. Remember you only have one pair and if there is a big river bet you can generally only beat a bluff in which case ask yourself would you be willing to call with say second pair (i.e. if you would not call with second pair dont call with aa as all you are beating is a bluff)

Another option would be raise the flop if Deldar repushes i fold if the other pushes i would call him as he is more likely to have a flush draw than a set given he only called the flop raise.

p.s. i think i saw this hand are you soprano?

If the turn is checked by all, doesn't the third player have a 'free' bet on the river after u guys have shown so much weakness? Are u planning on ch-c or ch-f the river after turn checks?

Probably depends on the betsize and turn/river cards. If the flush gets there I'm almost always c/f. It's almost impossible for the button to have a hand we beat. I probably call most blanks if the button checks back the turn on a non-board pairing, non-flush card. I just don't expect him to ever do this with a set.