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insyder19

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Now its full ring but we could probably treat it as 6max.

question one: i know lex is very loose and looks like he never slept in his life, can we treat his full ring 3betting range as the same as 6max even if the table is full given how spewy he seems based on ptr and hsp and his reputation?

question two: how bad is the flat with AA? I mean i go back and forth flatting or 4betting it depending on the villain and the stakes i play als how deep i am and so on. given hes so loose pre i dont think he jams often enough over a 4bet and i dont know if hes the type to flat those.

also i want a strong flatting range in 3bet pots or at leaast as strong as possible so i like to have big pairs in my range to bluff- and valuerause the flops and be balanced.

now to the hand. I dont really know what to say but other than AK and MAYBE QK i beat nothing but a total bluff. in his eyes there is not even value to shove KQ unless he wants to me fold KQ given there is no hand he beats.

i thought it was really full ring but now when i see its actually almost 6max i think river is very close but probably more of a call than a fold given our pot odds.

question 3: does he ever expect us to have a WEAK range on the river?

$25/$50 No Limit Holdem
7 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG YAOMINGMING ($5,447)
UTG+1 newg_choier ($4,890)
MP Hero ($6,244)
CO venced0r ($10,887)
BTN SarahSugar ($2,250)
SB RaSZi ($5,000)
BB 0Human0 ($7,142)

Pre-Flop: ($75, 7 players) Hero is MP AClub ADiamond
2 folds, Hero raises to $150, 2 folds, RaSZi raises to $550, 1 fold, Hero calls $400

Flop: JDiamond 10Diamond KClub ($1,150, 2 players)
RaSZi bets $600, Hero calls $600

Turn: 3Spade ($2,350, 2 players)
RaSZi bets $1,200, Hero calls $1,200

River: JClub ($4,750, 2 players)
RaSZi goes all-in $2,650, $2650 to Hero ($3894)?

Posted about 3 years ago

chansen

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yeah, given the PTR stats, i would say this guy is playing a huge variance style and is porb. 3B OOP a lot, but there is no truth behind it b/c i dont konw this guy.

2) like you said, depends on the vallian. i think flatting is good.
but keep in mind, you dont play FR 25 50 a lot, prob. clsoe to never. so i dont expect him thinking your 3B calling range in pos. i weak, he views it porb. as always strong. so 4Betting seems more bluffy IMO.
falting is not bad either, but 4Betting seems a little bit better to me.

3)looks like you dont have a strong range on the river, cauau you would raise it earlier i guess. right? so bluffing make sense here, its close but more a call to me.

Posted about 3 years ago

Nightbreed9

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this is way out of my league but Ive Razsi play very often....love his style.

He isnt 18-24 tabling anymore so he pays more attention now.

1)You probably could but there are 7 at the table so in this hand definatelly.

2)Considering his style you could have tried to 4bet. Looks like he just loaded up or sat at the table and he uses that to mostly. he knows his image and uses it to.

3)it might look like a bluff but personally think you are beat most often

Just my two cents. If I'm way of just tell me but bring it gently Wink

gr N

Posted about 3 years ago

Hielko

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1) I have only played with lex at 2/4 and 3/6, but when I play him he's not a really loose 3better.

2) Think 4betting is the better play EV wise if you have no real reads on how often he 3bets and how loose his range is. But flatting aces is certainly cool too.

3) I would say yes, I think he would expect to see a raise from strong hands earlier given the board

Posted about 3 years ago

NoWayFolding

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insyder what do you think his value shoving range on this river is?

do you expect him to bet a hand like AJ or QJ on the flop?

FWIW I would call but Im a calling station.

Posted about 3 years ago

insyder19

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What type of weak range do we have when we get to the river?

I mean maybe ATcc but thats about it. We are folding 99 or similar on the flop and QQ we get it in preflop for sure.

Posted about 3 years ago

Kwantum

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I agree we don't have a lot of weak hands on the river, but I'm not even sure Lex is thinking about that to be honest.

After watching him on HSP, I doubt I can find a fold here. He definitely seems like the type to ship thin for value (Kx) and obviously can show up with bluffs in this spot.

It seems really gross to fold especially if he can value bet thinly

Posted about 3 years ago

Gman

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KRANTZ

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PokerPiet

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Not my stakes or level of thinking,
but would this be like the worst case scenario?

Board: Td Jd Kc 3s Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 23.214% 21.43% 01.79% 6 0.50 { AcAd }
Hand 1: 76.786% 75.00% 01.79% 21 0.50 { KK+, JJ-TT, AJs+, KJs, AJo+ }

Then if he ever shoves a missed flushdraw or KQ or w/e else it becomes a call.

Posted about 3 years ago




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