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K dawg,

I'd like to hear your thoughts about the KQ hand you played in the Lime Slicer premiere, where you just jammed with TP over the guys c-bet on the QTx two-tone flop (the hand with the chat about diamonds). My standard in my SSNL games is to call and hope the guy hangs himself on the turn with most of his range, and it seems like your shove doesn't let him do that with his whiffs like AK and weird suited connectors that he might have been 3-betting light with.

Thanks!

-tubasteve

tuba,

Interested to hear Jay's thoughts, but it's really super-standard to shove TP in that type of spot at higher stakes. You'll be amazed by what calls you thinking you're (semi) bluffing and it will balance out the times that you are.

- TWP

K dawg,

I'd like to hear your thoughts about the KQ hand you played in the Lime Slicer premiere, where you just jammed with TP over the guys c-bet on the QTx two-tone flop (the hand with the chat about diamonds). My standard in my SSNL games is to call and hope the guy hangs himself on the turn with most of his range, and it seems like your shove doesn't let him do that with his whiffs like AK and weird suited connectors that he might have been 3-betting light with.

Thanks!

-tubasteve

S dawg,

At 24:30 there is a hand which Anytime2323 plays against Emmoyousee on the right table (while I'm involved in making that river call with 66 on KKTxA) in which he shows down QTo, with which he reraised Emmo. Also, throughout that session he'd been reraising me and others at a decent clip - that lets me assume with a pretty high certainty that he's reraising a wide amt of hands, for starters.

Secondly, as I was mentioning at pts throughout the video, most players at 5/10 view my screenname as insanely aggressive and spewy.

Thirdly, I think a player like Anytime2323 will c-bet that flop with nearly 100% of his hands, including hands like Tx and worse Qs.

So bringing that all together, if I call, there are lots of bad turn cards (both that will kill my action and make it less likely for him to bluff or hang himself), and there's no guarantee that he will put in any more money with AK or Tx or JJ or even 78s. But if I shove, taking my image to account, the texture of the board and his c-betting range, I thought it was very very likely he would call it off with anything and possibly even AK. TAGs who like to reraise a lot but don't really have a good mind for how good players adjust to them just absolutely LOVE to justify a hero call because of the board texture.

Of course, if it's a different player with a tighter range I'm just calling the flop or folding preflop, and if I have a different image I'm playing things differently as well.

I plan on continuing to play limit but am looking to improve my poker skills and it has been suggested that I play NL by a few people who are good players from 2+2.

I have started to watch the transition videos etc. but I have a hard time with overplaying 2 pair vs a draw or a set. I usually lose my stack holding 2 pair. 2 pair in limit you play aggressively because you can't lose your shirt with it. I don't know how to play it well in NL.

So is there some generic advice on what you do when you flop 2 pair. What goes through your head in these situations?

I think I am missing something. I see dollar signs. If it weren't for 2 pair I would probably be a winner with NL. As it is I am break even at best.

Where did pr1nnyraid come from?

Found it interesting to read how vanessa ended up with her SN.

how did krantz become pr1nnyraid?

Guys, will get to you both (and others) as soon as I can, very busy but have my eye on this thread and want to devote time to each response.

Just a short one (maybe two)

When did you start playing poker, and how did u improve your game? Was there a point when it just went *click* and you started crushing the competition?

thanks a lot

so long, coldi

I plan on continuing to play limit but am looking to improve my poker skills and it has been suggested that I play NL by a few people who are good players from 2+2.

I have started to watch the transition videos etc. but I have a hard time with overplaying 2 pair vs a draw or a set. I usually lose my stack holding 2 pair. 2 pair in limit you play aggressively because you can't lose your shirt with it. I don't know how to play it well in NL.

So is there some generic advice on what you do when you flop 2 pair. What goes through your head in these situations?

I think I am missing something. I see dollar signs. If it weren't for 2 pair I would probably be a winner with NL. As it is I am break even at best.

Well, when I flop two pair my eyes light up, so there must be something else going on :-)

Can you show me some examples? 78 on 789 two-tone is not such a great hand if you get heavy action, but 78 on 782 two-tone is. Getting it all-in on a board like that and losing to 22 or overcards with a flush draw is pretty standard and common.

Without seeing some examples so I can get into a bit more detail, I'd say to just run some hands through pokerstove and try to approximate your opponent's possible holdings and see how your two pair shapes up against that range. That will help you out tons.

Where did pr1nnyraid come from?

Found it interesting to read how vanessa ended up with her SN.

how did krantz become pr1nnyraid?

Ahh, a legendary story. From wikipedia:

A prinny resembles a small, usually blue, pouch-wearing penguin with disproportionately small bat wings and two peg legs where feet would normally be. When thrown, it explodes on impact. A common trait of the prinnies is their upbeat attitude and frequent use of the word "dood" (as an interjection - they constantly end their sentences with "-ssu" in the Japanese dialogue).

According to the game Disgaea: Hour of Darkness, when a human who has led a worthless life (e.g. a thief or murderer) dies, the soul is sewn into the body of a prinny. After being reborn, the newly created prinny will serve as a soldier, slave, or servant in the Netherworld or Celestia until it has earned reincarnation, and leave its servitude in a ritual involving the Red Moon.


Back when Party banned US customers I needed a name for my first account ever on Full Tilt. danzasmack was playing that video game lots and there an attack called "prinny raid."

And boom went the dynamite.

Just a short one (maybe two)

When did you start playing poker, and how did u improve your game? Was there a point when it just went *click* and you started crushing the competition?

thanks a lot

so long, coldi

What's up coldi,

I started playing, literally, when I was like 11 or 12. My friends and I were obsessed with 7-card stud and variations of that game. Then Rounders came out and we all got hooked on NLHE. I was just addicted to poker from Day 1 - when I was 16 and 17 I used to let my facial hair grow for two weeks and dress up like a grandpa to cut school and go play 5-10 Limit Holdem at the Taj (back before they even spread NL in casinos).

Got into online poker in college, went broke lots - there were many *click* points along the way but I think the most important was finding and getting involved with 2+2. Just realizing that poker is a very deep game that commands lots of respect, thought and study turned on many lightbulbs for me.

Hey krantz, good job on the new site. Love the video.

My question is about 4bet/5bet sizing and how do you choose them.
What are the factors? Stacks? Players (aggro regs, or donkey)? Position? For bluff or value? Calling a shove or not?


I see the very small aka 2.5x 4better and some will just shove (100BB), and i like both approach but i'm not confident how to decide yet.

P.S: Someone talked about the story behind vanessa's sn, where did you see this?

I think the main idea with smaller 4-bets is that you're giving your opponent a sense that he has fold equity if he shoves.

The key being of course, is that when he shoves... if you hold rags, you can fold, and if you have the goods, you can fist pump instacall.

If you just mash pot and make a pot-sized reraise with your 4-bet, well then, your opponent already knows your committed so unless he's totally tilted or something he can basically play perfectly knowing that you're always going to call off the remainder of your stack if he shoves.

Whitelime and lot of other training sources have gone over this concept, and it's very key in the current online poker environment.

I'm sure KRANTZ can articulate all this better than I can, but yeah just wanted to chime in with what I thought was pretty common knowledge nowadays. Playing with deeper stacks, now that is something I would like to hear about more in terms of 4 and 5-betting.

K -- awesome story about your FTP name. It's fun to experience your personality through stories like that. I'm really stoked on this site just because of the creativity and the desire by the instructors to do more than just give monotone poker lessons in videos. Adding fun to the learning process certainly enhances it for me.

Cheers

/kwantum

I've been coached for a few months now, mainly just sweat sessions and sending him hands every now and then - it's been going really well, but have been thinking if I could be using the coaching time more effectively. I've heard people recommend having questions ready to ask the coach, but I find it really hard to even think of a question as they seem too broad of a topic to discuss well - 'how do you play 3bet pots OOP' or too much of an it depends answer - 'how do you play AK in a 3bet pot OOP when the flop comes low'.

What do you think the most common 'mistakes' students make with coaching, as in under utilizing the service offered like not sending enough HH's to the coach, not asking enough questions, etc

Also what format do you normally coach in and which formats do you usually prefer (sweat, video review, HH review, mix of all, etc)

And lastly, nice job with the site. Your ideas and content are miles ahead of everyone else.

thanx,
mitch

Hey krantz, good job on the new site. Love the video.

My question is about 4bet/5bet sizing and how do you choose them.
What are the factors? Stacks? Players (aggro regs, or donkey)? Position? For bluff or value? Calling a shove or not?


I see the very small aka 2.5x 4better and some will just shove (100BB), and i like both approach but i'm not confident how to decide yet.

P.S: Someone talked about the story behind vanessa's sn, where did you see this?

Thanks FBP. Kwantum explains sizing really well, actually. I'll just add that one of the most pertinent things I think about when deciding when to 4-bet is how likely my opponent's range at that particular moment in time is weighted to the weak side, as well as what size at that particular moment in time will get him to fold. Meaning you need to think about whether or not your opponent will fold his 56s or just be so tilted or suspicious of your small 4-bet that he will shove over it - in that case, you need to make it a bit bigger and appear committing (even if you fold).

With deeper stacks, I like 4-betting slightly bigger and less than pot (mainly OOP, I call way more in position deeper), and do it way more often since it's a much more dangerous weapon - your opponent is 3-betting you light with position, which is a very good play by him with deep stacks. And then you come at him and threaten his whole stack with a reopening of action.

K -- awesome story about your FTP name. It's fun to experience your personality through stories like that. I'm really stoked on this site just because of the creativity and the desire by the instructors to do more than just give monotone poker lessons in videos. Adding fun to the learning process certainly enhances it for me.

Cheers

/kwantum

I'm stoked too. I was a screenwriting major in college. You can read about the origins of this site and the series model at my blog (dangerlion.com), but working on this site has been the hardest, most fun and most rewarding work out of maybe anything I've ever done. And I'm extremely jazzed about being able to bring my creative side to the plate here and knock poker up pretty good.

Oh, the things we have planned!