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for some reason i couldn't get the HH transcripts but this is the hand.

DjAdi SB $41200
Urindanger BB $72482.50

DjAdi raises to $1200, Urindanger calls $800

Flop: 6c 6d 9s ($2399.50)

Urindanger checks, DjAdi bets $2,000,Urindanger raises to $6,400 (timed down a bit), DjAdi calls.

Turn: 2c ($15,199.50)

Urindanger checks, DjAdi bets $9,200, Urindanger calls

River: 3s ($33,599.50)

Urindanger checks, DjAdi went all in for $24,400 (very quickly -prob 1 second till he jammed).

Urindanger times down. ranges for both players?




second of all i wanna post two other hands with regard to his turn play during the session and ask whether the information given by his turn play has any indicative strength - he's likely to check SDV hands on turn and bluff non SDV hands. (excuse any noob-ness but i just thought this was the best place to post this).


HAND1:

DjAdi SB $43,398.50
Urindanger BB $47197.50

DjAdi raises to $1,200, Urindanger raises to $4200,DjAdi calls.

Flop: 4d 9d 5s ($8,399.50)

Urindanger bets $6,400, DjAdi calls

Turn: 9c ($21,199.50)

Urindanger checks,DjAdi bets $10,600, Urindanger went all-in for $36,597.50, DjAdi calls

Urindanger shows Kd 10d
DjAdi shows Qd 8d




HAND2:

DjAdi SB $40,000
Urindanger BB $61,496

DjAdi raises to $1,200, Urindanger raises to $4,200, DjAdi calls

Flop: Ah 3d 9c ($8,399.50)

Urindanger bets $5,200, DjAdi calls

Turn: 5h ($18,799.50)

Urindanger checks, DjAdi checks

River: 7s

Urindanger checks, DjAdi bets $9,400, Urindanger calls

DjAdi shows Ad 10c and wins pot
Urindanger mucks


tks. would be awesome to her some thoughts.

I'm no high stakes reg by any means, but if you want to have a discussion ill throw some thoughts out there. I don't have the slightest idea how either of these guys play or any of the previous match history or dynamics, so I don't know either of their raising or flatting range, but as far as the flop goes urindanger can assume dj is cbetting that board with 100% of his range, so danger can make a profitable checkraise on a lot of boards, dj could then be flatting with air type broadways like aq-aj looking to resteal and float the turn. I think dj would 3bet shove any pp 10 and higher, but possibly 77, 88 or 55 is in his range, but hard to say without tendencies. Dangers c/c range on the turn is more of a mystery, given the previous hands you posted you would think he might fire a turn barell with a hand like 78. Maybe check calling a pair 9 or lower to try and get to showdown. I dno if danger ever looks him up with ace high, but if so djs river shoving range could include TT,77,88 for thin value, possibly higher pairs, or some type of air hands if he doesn't think danger has any showdown value.

So these are just a few general hands that come to mind without knowing either tendencies. Someone let me know if I'm way off.

[quote]Dangers c/c range on the turn is more of a mystery, given the previous hands you posted you would think he might fire a turn barell with a hand like 78. Maybe check calling a pair 9 or lower to try and get to showdown. I dno if danger ever looks him up with ace high, but if so djs river shoving range could include TT,77,88 for thin value, possibly higher pairs, or some type of air hands if he doesn't think danger has any showdown value.[quote]

would i be right in saying that checking the turn gives him alot more info as opposed to betting the turn regardless of what he has?

First hand looks like this:


BB = Urindanger
BTN = djadi

BB check-raises flop with a solid value/airball bluff range but doesn't want to barrel off his air on this board when it bricks; it is very easy for BTN to call&call turn&river, and basically play to the river perfectly. BB may check-raise thin with middling PPs as well on this flop but he is over-repping his hand - this is key for the river play.

BB elects to check the turn and I think he may do this with almost all his range on brick cards; BTN is forced to either allow BB's overcard bluffs a free river card or he must now put more chips in on the turn with a range wider than he would have called a bet with. BB has little need to protect his made hands as BTN has few very strong draws here.

On the river, BB's hand is "face-up" as having some made hand value after he check-calls the turn; he can still have very strong hands here too, as he maximises value by allowing BTN to bet his floats on the turn. BTN's range is easily balanced in this spot.

I think BB may be considering laying down a made hand he over-repped on the flop. When you consider that BB can have monster hands here as well as middling made hands but no air, he could definitely be considering laying down the bottom of his range. The argument in his head goes, "it is suicidal for BTN to airball bluff here given my perceived range."