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No real reads, except I am 99% sure that the opponent is a regular at these stakes.

Pacific $5000.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players - View hand 1105471
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Hero (BB): $4747.00
CO: $1897.00
BTN: $4473.50
SB: $6469.25

Pre Flop: ($75.00) Hero is BB with 9 A
2 folds, SB raises to $150, Hero calls $100

Flop: ($300.00) A 3 J (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($300.00) 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $150.00, SB calls $150

River: ($600.00) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $400.00, SB raises to $1800


What range are we putting our opponent on here? Also any thoughts on the hand are greatly appreciated!

This is probably not a bluff only because people just dont bluff very often with big river check-raises. Yeh its a weird line but I usually just give these credit unless I know someone has a habit river check/raise bluffing.

without reads i would bet the flop.
as played i would fold

what?

Has anyone actually given any combos villain has for value.

I would snap this off for sure..
Noone can really have a flush here. Given the Ad is on the board and both of you checked both of your ranges are capped here. If someone has a flush then the combos of them having it is probably around 1-2 combos (given the action).

So what hands can he do this for value with. JJ, AJ.....
I really doubt a weaker 2 pair like A5 or A6 does this for value but if thats the case its like another 4 combos.
I think out of all the most likely hands he can have for value it is AJ, so thats like 6 combos..

All in all he has v little numbers of combos, and all those combos have to be scared that sometimes you have a flush (because when you bet this flop he is never c/f'ing) so sometimes in your spot a flush draw checks behind.

Given all that Id call here, and if you are wrong you have some very valuable info. It probably means he is v good!

id call too good post NWF

I think whether i call or not is player dependent. If hes on the aggressive side i call. When you check the flop it looks like you cant have the flush. If he had a flush why wouldnt he lead the turn? he cant expect you to bet the turn very often. My guess is he has a marginal hand on the turn then when you bet the river he figures hes behind so raises to bluff

I think whether i call or not is player dependent. If hes on the aggressive side i call. When you check the flop it looks like you cant have the flush. If he had a flush why wouldnt he lead the turn? he cant expect you to bet the turn very often. My guess is he has a marginal hand on the turn then when you bet the river he figures hes behind so raises to bluff

I agree on this, line looks like he's picked up a flush draw on the turn and tried to bluff the river.

is there a reason this guy can't have pocket 6's with the 6 of diamonds?

I usually call here. If he had a real hand he would have check/raised you on the turn as now he risks a very very bad situation where you check back a lot of bluffcatchers on the river. Thats my reasoning anyway.

Wow just realized I responded 3 months ago with a completely different response, funny how time changes how you think about the game.

is there a reason this guy can't have pocket 6's with the 6 of diamonds?

sure he could, but theres only 2 combos of those hands.

id call too good post NWF

I agree i would call to mainly for the reasons NWF said.

SB raises to $1800
it is not 1200 not 1400 not 1600, it is 1800


whats his nick btw?

and since there's a "potcontrolling move" by hero we cannot simply value the later streets action on its own, because we do not have enough information to make "smart" decisions. he has a good flush here more often than a stupid bluff. now you can start counting combos.

and its weird that you expect him to bluffraise here but not raise a weak twopair.. when you wanna call with a naked ace... you would even call KJ, right?

given the flush on board are we sure villian would raise weak two pair for value?\looks alot like showdown hand turned into a bluff? That Ax hands have trouble calling

if he's seen you thinly value bet the river on occasions(esp vrs him) then this is a fold for me , as this auto gives him more combos that make sence including a flush/sets/AJ ect.
If I thought he couldnt have the info required to take this line for value, then I'm calling as he has less combos that make sence.

Conversley, if you have been a station vrs him on the river in past hands, this becomes more of a call, and if you have reluctant to bluffcatch its more of a fold.

So it boils down to a case of, without any additional info this is a call, as he would need a good reason to take this as a value line.