Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by surfdoc (Micro/Small Stakes)

Great idea for a series. Looking forward to some hudless action.

E: Maybe you could do a video on Cake where nobody is allowed to use HUD.

Liked this vid, nice to see some non-perfect play and good rapport and discussion.

Be interested to see a series. I don't think the HUD-less thing made much difference, other than it sounded like they would have been happier to see stats.

Solid standalone sweat video

To clarify that:

Very solid video had the description been:

Surfdoc and Mike L. return to the NLHE game. Mike picks Surfdoc's brain as he 4-tables $.1/.25 NLHE.
[c/p'ed that from one of your earlier vids and changed the stakes]

This video fails at delivering what the description poromises though.

Mike l. and surfdoc team up to teach you how to play without your HUB. The series focuses on note taking,

[I'm around 50 minutes in and have seen you take/talk about one note]

paying attention to all moves of your opponents,

[this happens to some extent, but that's what I expect from a good vid anyways. HUD or no HUD.]

and your own table image.

[mostly redundant at uNL imo. MOSTLY]

Liked this vid, nice to see some non-perfect play and good rapport and discussion.

Be interested to see a series. I don't think the HUD-less thing made much difference, other than it sounded like they would have been happier to see stats.

I am a traditionally stats oriented player so I prefer to use HUD as well. The idea grew out of some requests from the community but this is an adjustment for me too and hopefully it can be made as the series or mini-series unfolds.

To clarify that:

Very solid video had the description been:

Surfdoc and Mike L. return to the NLHE game. Mike picks Surfdoc's brain as he 4-tables $.1/.25 NLHE.
[c/p'ed that from one of your earlier vids and changed the stakes]

This video fails at delivering what the description poromises though.

Mike l. and surfdoc team up to teach you how to play without your HUB. The series focuses on note taking,

[I'm around 50 minutes in and have seen you take/talk about one note]

paying attention to all moves of your opponents,

[this happens to some extent, but that's what I expect from a good vid anyways. HUD or no HUD.]

and your own table image.

[mostly redundant at uNL imo. MOSTLY]

The points you make are for the most part valid. Mike played these hands on his own so I had no real control over the content or frequency of his notes. I admit that when the action gets going and there are so many poker spots to comment on it was a challenge to re-focus on how the lack of HUD was affecting decisions, especially since so many decisions are standard and the information on certain villains was largely negligible due to the duration of the session.

Thanks for the comments though. They are extremely valuable and exactly what we need to shape further episodes.

I think people without HUDs at uNL are costing themselves money, but I still think this is a good idea for a series. hopefully it generates some different analysis than the typical uNL video.

Great idea for a series. Looking forward to some hudless action.

E: Maybe you could do a video on Cake where nobody is allowed to use HUD.

I think a cake session would be sweet.

I think people without HUDs at uNL are costing themselves money, but I still think this is a good idea for a series. hopefully it generates some different analysis than the typical uNL video.

While I see what you're saying I still think that playing some without a HUD can be good for your overall game. I played 25nl for 2 months HUDless and it did wonders for my overall game. Forcing me to pay closer attention to player tendencies. Also taught me what tendencies to look for.

I now use a basic HUD. However I'm uncomfortable making decisions with "stat only reads" so I find myself paying a lot more attention to player actions. Having "stat reads" and "actual reads" together make for very solid reads overall. All this is due to my HUDless play for a while.

I'm looking forward to checking out this series.

I'm currently playing 10NL and 20NL on Cake Poker. I have played on FTP with a HUD for about 20k hands and decided as a developing player that I would rather learn the game without a HUD. I have switched over to Cake to beging the transformation. I have about 30k hands on Cake and have found not using a HUD VERY useful for developing my game. I have a few posts about it in my blog.

To respond to el_grande, not using a HUD when you are beginning mirrors the concept of opportunity cost. How much more money are you losing by not developing your game before you begin using a HUD. Using a HUD as a new player is like jumping into a supervising roll at 'XYZ' business, while not using a HUD is like going to college and starting from the ground up. Which path do you think will 'make the most money' in the long-run?

Stats don't lie, I don't see the advantages of playing micro's without a HUD to be honest. It's not as if you can't be watching the action closely when you're using a HUD. It's just that you can't focus on 4 tables constantly, so if you miss something, that's where the HUD comes in.

This sounds to me like we're going back in time, it's a bit weird.

Stats don't lie, I don't see the advantages of playing micro's without a HUD to be honest. It's not as if you can't be watching the action closely when you're using a HUD. It's just that you can't focus on 4 tables constantly, so if you miss something, that's where the HUD comes in.

More than that, IMO, the player pool is so huge and your lines vs. TAGs and passive fish are so different that it's critical to be able to identify.

Just knowing VPIP/PFR is gold. Even over small samples.

But just because that's true doesn't mean you can't get value out of a HUDless series or playing without it sometimes.

More than that, IMO, the player pool is so huge and your lines vs. TAGs and passive fish are so different that it's critical to be able to identify.

Just knowing VPIP/PFR is gold. Even over small samples.

But just because that's true doesn't mean you can't get value out of a HUDless series or playing without it sometimes.

That's true. If this series concludes you miss a lot playing HUDless I rest my case

Congrats to DC for listening to members. Interested in the series.