BalugaWhale and Tubasteve come back to the 6max with this 4-tabling video of $1/2 NLHE. Video footage is courtesy of DC member actionjp.
BalugaWhale and tubasteve climb the Coaching Tree. Many may not know that BalugaWhale is tubasteve's old poker coach. Watch them reunite as Steve coaches our members and Andrew coaches Steve on the coaching. 6max NL.
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I have played action_jp. I always WHACK him......
Yes yes Alex, you've owned me at 2 HU matches (1 SnG 1 cash).
Awesome video guys, thanks for this
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Just a few comments: FYI I'm about a 2.5ptBB/100 winner at 400NL over 45k hands even though I've run about 15BIs below EV at that level (EV 4ptBB/100 winner over same sample).
Anyways, just a general theory that I had about my frequent flop checks - this was something I was experimenting with at the time, and the idea was to try checking on some boards to delay-cbet rather than cbet the flop, which I found to be equally effective.
By delay-cbetting in some spots I can rep hands that have marginal SD value - so let's say if I had 56 on the 257hhh flop I'd probably check that behind sometimes and bet sometimes. The idea was that if I check IP, the villain is more or less going to be playing the turn a lot more straightforward than they would the flop - because - well in my experience unsophisticated players don't mess about on the turn too much.
I do mix it up better these days depending on the villain in question and the situations these days imo.
I don't think that by checking behind my FE decreases on the turn against his marginal hands. Also when I'm IP, and don't have an obvious equity advantage against his range, it doesn't matter imo whether I see another card or not, and I get to keep it a small pot.
I should also follow this up with a disclaimer that this was made at the height of my non-cbetting experimentation and it's not quite as extreme these days
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super great analysis!
you guys rock
Another question about 3betting the AJo from SB vs StudentOfGab's BU raise - I've stopped doing this as much these days, but I think one of the reasons that I used to flat a lot from the blinds was that I felt like my edge was greater postflop than preflop.
So the idea was that flatting hands from the SB would cause the villains to make bigger mistakes postflop than they would preflop. Of course there's the fact that preflop mistakes compound postflop mistakes but I felt like it would help me to play smaller pots with higher stack to pot ratios.
Am I losing too much equity preflop by doing this in your opinion?
I've stopped doing it for other reasons though. ![]()
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That AJ flop check is really bad lol ![]()
If I was to defend (or get into the mindset of) PastJP I'd say that it's to balance my delayed cbets and because I would think that it'd hard to get 3 streets of value anyways.
I agree that it's bad though.
So the idea was that flatting hands from the SB would cause the villains to make bigger mistakes postflop than they would preflop. Of course there's the fact that preflop mistakes compound postflop mistakes but I felt like it would help me to play smaller pots with higher stack to pot ratios.
The thing is, that people IP are a way less likely to make mistakes imho. And AJ, while way ahead of his opening range, still remains a hand that you are never comfortable calling 3 streets with.
In general I hate playing hands like AJ OOP if I'm not comfortable c/r TP flops with the intention of not folding my hand. And AJ will get you in very high variance spots here.
In general I hate playing hands like AJ OOP if I'm not comfortable c/r TP flops with the intention of not folding my hand. And AJ will get you in very high variance spots here.
c/r the flop with TP is almost never the best line if you flat AJ from the blinds unless you have a hyper-aggro opponent who will ship it in light or something.
c/r the flop with TP is almost never the best line if you flat AJ from the blinds unless you have a hyper-aggro opponent who will ship it in light or something.
Thats why I usually 3bet preflop, or, as weak as it may sound, fold.
But against an good, aggressive opponent you often times are going to play a guessing game by c/c the flop, c/c the turn, pretty much praying he is not going to fire a 3rd barrel, epecially if some backdoor draws got there.
Btw. while in a vacuum c/r the flop AJ with toppair might be the wrong play, I think that once you created an image that you are bluff c/r or semibluff c/r flops, you actually can value c/r here alot lighter than usual.
heres a thought guys:
if you cant c/r the flop for value with a strong top pair, you should be c/r the flop as a bluff a whole lot more often.
heres a thought guys:
if you cant c/r the flop for value with a strong top pair, you should be c/r the flop as a bluff a whole lot more often.
Can I see if I'm getting the hint here? Basically are you saying if villains are cbetting any reasonable amount (or too much?), but only calling with hands > TP, i.e. a really narrow range, they're folding a ton of the time and c/r bluffing becomes really profitable?
Can I see if I'm getting the hint here? Basically are you saying if villains are cbetting any reasonable amount (or too much?), but only calling with hands > TP, i.e. a really narrow range, they're folding a ton of the time and c/r bluffing becomes really profitable?
wooooooooooooooooooo ![]()
gotta remember our image though, if you just c/r bluff everyone every 3rd hand they will open up their ranges and start calling you down lighter. then you start doing it with TPTK. ![]()
heres a thought guys:
if you cant c/r the flop for value with a strong top pair, you should be c/r the flop as a bluff a whole lot more often.
this has improved my winrate a ton over the past few months.
I know I always abuse JP, but we spend most nights discussing poker. I think he is a very solid player, and has really helped me with my development. Really looking forward to watching this video.
Excellent video, I really++ like this serie so far
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