DeathDonkey takes his new student DJ Sensei and begins teaching him how to crush Triple Draw. They walk through beginning strategy and the math behind those choices.
DJ Sensei and DeathDonkey host this full series on the sport of Triple Draw. Follow along as we learn how to play this unique form of poker and branch outside of our safe hold'em backgrounds.
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A 2-7 video? It's like you guys read my mind. This one's a bit basic for me, but I expect some advanced play later in the series.
Kansas City Lowball is no limit 2-7 single draw.
Can't wait for next week when we get to see some action.
I'm very excited for this one, I've always enjoyed triple draw but never was able to find much literature about it.
would defo love to see some sort of series on NL 2-7
I'm really looking forward to this series. And love the retro intro :-p gg guys.
DD,
watched this, read Negreanu's chapter in Super System 2, played some and made a vid.
couple of novice questions.
1)743XX UTG 6 handed, open? maybe you are doing a starting hand chart later?
2)874XX MP open?
3)UTG raises, we are CO with 752XX..do we cold call or 3 bet?
4)How do we treat 765XX, and 654XX?
5) Two players,each drawing one card on the 3rd draw, do we VB a made JXXXX,QXXXX?
6)UTG raises...we are btn with 872XX? we are BB with 42XXX?
Good video to cover the basics, i really like how you explain Deathdonkey. And DJ Sensei, you can't seriously make us believe you don't know the game at least a little? You've made mostly really good points.
Wish this game was more common.
DD,
watched this, read Negreanu's chapter in Super System 2, played some and made a vid.
couple of novice questions.
1)743XX UTG 6 handed, open? maybe you are doing a starting hand chart later?
2)874XX MP open?
3)UTG raises, we are CO with 752XX..do we cold call or 3 bet?
4)How do we treat 765XX, and 654XX?
5) Two players,each drawing one card on the 3rd draw, do we VB a made JXXXX,QXXXX?
6)UTG raises...we are btn with 872XX? we are BB with 42XXX?
Just replying here for the record, to see if i have a clue:
1) Fold, rough 2 card draw UTG easy fold imo.
2) Fold, really rough 3 or 2 card draw in MP, same.
3) 3bet, smooth draw with implieds, excellent 2 card draw.
4) Mostly fold both except in rare steal situation vs tight blinds. 3 card straight draws are trash i believe.
5) If i read correctly you are in position and stood pat against 2 players? Is that even a good play? I was under the impression it was not.
Anyway, in a vacuum i doubt it's a good idea to try valuebetting only hoping for him to bluffcatch with less against 2 player, it's only going to be fine against 1 player and seldomly.
6) I'm not sure about 872xx, i believe it's fold or call and draw 3 in pos. With 42xxx in BB i'd fold against most opponents but draw against a looser and/or fishier villain.
2-7 Triple draw fascinates me for some reason.
But for now I only have one odd request: You've HAVE TO make a special Badugi episode! Not that it's the same game or anything, but at least they're related and there's no Badugi stuff anywhere. ;-)
wow, this is a really cool game.
I like to draw 5 everytime and cap the betting. I think it's the most fun that way.
DD,
watched this, read Negreanu's chapter in Super System 2, played some and made a vid.
couple of novice questions.
1)743XX UTG 6 handed, open? maybe you are doing a starting hand chart later?
2)874XX MP open?
3)UTG raises, we are CO with 752XX..do we cold call or 3 bet?
4)How do we treat 765XX, and 654XX?
5) Two players,each drawing one card on the 3rd draw, do we VB a made JXXXX,QXXXX?
6)UTG raises...we are btn with 872XX? we are BB with 42XXX?
i've talked a lot of 2-7 w/ deathdonkey. (please chris let me know if i am way off anywhere here.)
1)usually fold. but deathdonkey has mentioned to me spots where you might open this type of hand if you had some pairs (e.g. 77433) also to increase the chance that you can steal/increase chances your opponents miss draws
2)no
3)i think there are arguments for both options
4)never playable except maybe on button vs tight or bad blinds
5)you shouldn't pat with J or Q (or even T unless you somehow have T6543 or something) vs two opponents drawing 1. but no, you would never value bet a J if you were pat. a bet there would be a bluff imo.
6)872 isn't playable facing a raise from utg. 832, 842, 852 are fine i think. 862 seems close. im assuming an average utg. obviously can change if he's very lag or very nitty.
Does anyone know what sort of VP$IP does the "standard" pre-draw recommendations add up to? Not that there's anything like a 27TD tracker but anyhow.
That should probably have some sort of relation to the blinds (and the amount of streets etc) meaning that it shouldn't be way off from the similar standards for limit hold'em, right?
i've talked a lot of 2-7 w/ deathdonkey. (please chris let me know if i am way off anywhere here.)
1)usually fold. but deathdonkey has mentioned to me spots where you might open this type of hand if you had some pairs (e.g. 77433) also to increase the chance that you can steal/increase chances your opponents miss draws
2)no
3)i think there are arguments for both options
4)never playable except maybe on button vs tight or bad blinds
5)you shouldn't pat with J or Q (or even T unless you somehow have T6543 or something) vs two opponents drawing 1. but no, you would never value bet a J if you were pat. a bet there would be a bluff imo.
6)872 isn't playable facing a raise from utg. 832, 842, 852 are fine i think. 862 seems close. im assuming an average utg. obviously can change if he's very lag or very nitty.
All correct, imo.
3) I tend to flat in this situation, but I see a lot of players prefer 3betting.
4) They're really never playable. No blinds are tight enough to play this.
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