Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by DeathDonkey (Mid Stakes)

Should OTR bet this river if Groth had checked? I would think this would be a good check back since since an Ace is certainly in Groths range and he would probably fold smaller pairs.

I think I said in the video that I was planning on chking back since Groth's hand, in my mind, was pretty face up. I also think I should have folded to his donk for the same reason. C'est La Vie.

Doesn't betting out give a good opportunity to bet/3bet after cold calling a 4 bet and being first to act postflop.

Also, I could also be up against a pair plus the Ah enough that calling with that enormous pot I think.

you really shouldn't be able to b3b. DD's raise with KQ is pretty bad. I don't think I'd even raise AK in my spot or his.

Basically if you c/r A2 in this spot, your c/c range isn't nearly strong enough on the flop; therefore, it's going to be super simple to play against you when you c/c the flop (bet turn, bet river) since you're folding 100% of your c/c range that doesn't pair up at some point in the hand.

Isn't this easily balanced by waiting with some hands to c/r the turn? That and I don't c/r bottom pair on every flop, I just do it on this particular one.

Thinking about it a lil bit more, I guess if I call flop and don't c/r the turn, I must be super weak, and that makes it easy to play against me. Kind of? I rarely just call flops against button steals in BB, is that a mistake?

And how would you play against someone that consitently c/r the flop against you. If you're stealing 50-55% you're not hitting that often and you can't be too happy half of the times when you are. Just calling let's people check the turn when weak and catch up far too often imho. Especially when that third club lands and then you really don't want to be giving free cards to Ax3c

Really? I think it's very bad. I'd like to know why you think it's expert. I assume you mean when you have AdJx on the ddd board in the capped pot.

I think it's expert because the capper could easily have AQ/AK. Now imagine he is holding AQo without the diamond. What's his play and what does it seem like I have, betting into him?

It's a huge pot and I'm calling to the river guaranteed. POTENTIALLY one small extra bet, gives me the option of taking this pot down with the worse hand.

This is 1/13 so it doesn't have to work often and he really shouldn't be raising TT/JJ in that spot anyway. So I'm getting raised by QQ+ and getting called by TT/JJ/AQ/AK.

Pokerstoving
TT+ 44% equity
My hand 41%
Original raiser 13% (I gave him 15% PFR)

Dunno if that matters, but when people say the play is bad, I don't know... We have equal equity AAAAAAND I'm introducing folding equity into the equation. Seems the superior play to me.

Just added AQ+ to the TT+ equation and I am now AHEAD of the capper with my AJo. Booya.

Isn't this easily balanced by waiting with some hands to c/r the turn? That and I don't c/r bottom pair on every flop, I just do it on this particular one.



And how would you play against someone that consitently c/r the flop against you. If you're stealing 50-55% you're not hitting that often and you can't be too happy half of the times when you are. Just calling let's people check the turn when weak and catch up far too often imho. Especially when that third club lands and then you really don't want to be giving free cards to Ax3c

So you want to c/r the weaker part of your range and c/c a stronger part? Seems problematic to me in general. First of all, you miss way way too much value doing this since this board texture will induce a ton of action on later streets. Second of all, it puts you in retarded spots later in the hand because, to be honest, you aren't doing very well against your opponent's continuing range past the flop.

I play people who do this all the time in the run of my normal sessions. The correct response is to wait for the turn with your whole range and semi-bluff a healthy amount. This way your range is strong, but also relatively balanced. This kind of play works well against weaker opponents because they don't adjust well to this constant c/r strategy (usually by reacting in an unbalanced manner), but against stronger opponents who know how to deal with it, it's going to cost you imo.

I think it's expert because the capper could easily have AQ/AK. Now imagine he is holding AQo without the diamond. What's his play and what does it seem like I have, betting into him?

It's a huge pot and I'm calling to the river guaranteed. POTENTIALLY one small extra bet, gives me the option of taking this pot down with the worse hand.

This is 1/13 so it doesn't have to work often and he really shouldn't be raising TT/JJ in that spot anyway. So I'm getting raised by QQ+ and getting called by TT/JJ/AQ/AK.

Pokerstoving
TT+ 44% equity
My hand 41%
Original raiser 13% (I gave him 15% PFR)

Dunno if that matters, but when people say the play is bad, I don't know... We have equal equity AAAAAAND I'm introducing folding equity into the equation. Seems the superior play to me.

Just added AQ+ to the TT+ equation and I am now AHEAD of the capper with my AJo. Booya.

So then c/r. I still think c/c is better but just betting is imo the worst option. The problem here is that your range is totally unbalanced here. Remember, you're donking into a preflop capper in a multiway pot. This is the only type of hand you can have that might conceivably want to play this way. This is one of the few spots where, if I have AQ or AK, I'm happily raising for value since you never have anything when you play this way.

So you want to c/r the weaker part of your range and c/c a stronger part? Seems problematic to me in general. First of all, you miss way way too much value doing this since this board texture will induce a ton of action on later streets. Second of all, it puts you in retarded spots later in the hand because, to be honest, you aren't doing very well against your opponent's continuing range past the flop.

I see what you're saying, I'm just not sure what the solution is.

Being put in tough spots is the name of the game it seems when defending BB. How is that avoided? By Call/call/folding bottom pairs? What else would I be calling with to balance that since I'm almost never just calling a flush draw.

In short - what do you do if you don't mind sharing? You have me confused

For example:

A75 rainbow. You have 56 what's your play?
Q47. You have 46. Or A5 what's your play?

Does backdoor fd matter? For instance you have Ahigh backdoor fd on Q47 would that change the way you play the hand?

So then c/r. I still think c/c is better but just betting is imo the worst option. The problem here is that your range is totally unbalanced here. Remember, you're donking into a preflop capper in a multiway pot. This is the only type of hand you can have that might conceivably want to play this way. This is one of the few spots where, if I have AQ or AK, I'm happily raising for value since you never have anything when you play this way.

See in my opinion I'd donk QQ+ without the flush draw here every time since giving a free card would be a complete disaster. It seems you figure I'd have AJ fd but I figure I'd have QQ+ as well.

Heads up I'd go for c/r. 3way against a smart opponent I recognize he'd check his AQ/AK and since I have the A, he's even more likely to do so.

I think the way the hand played out - he figured I was on a FD as well, so maybe my assumption that I can rep QQ+ here is completely wrong, making this play bad indeed.

See in my opinion I'd donk QQ+ without the flush draw here every time since giving a free card would be a complete disaster. It seems you figure I'd have AJ fd but I figure I'd have QQ+ as well.

Heads up I'd go for c/r. 3way against a smart opponent I recognize he'd check his AQ/AK and since I have the A, he's even more likely to do so.

I think the way the hand played out - he figured I was on a FD as well, so maybe my assumption that I can rep QQ+ here is completely wrong, making this play bad indeed.

I mean, I guess our assumptions are just different. I assume no one is checking any part of his range once the pot gets this big, even on a board texture like this.

I see what you're saying, I'm just not sure what the solution is.

Being put in tough spots is the name of the game it seems when defending BB. How is that avoided? By Call/call/folding bottom pairs? What else would I be calling with to balance that since I'm almost never just calling a flush draw.

In short - what do you do if you don't mind sharing? You have me confused

For example:

A75 rainbow. You have 56 what's your play?
Q47. You have 46. Or A5 what's your play?

Does backdoor fd matter? For instance you have Ahigh backdoor fd on Q47 would that change the way you play the hand?

I call all of these intending to cd mostly. I would probably just c/c down in your spot depending on board texture as well. I'd be more likely to fold A5 on the river depending on my opponent. I also call with my sd type draws and semi-sd type draws to answer your balance question

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Agree with Jeremy here -- I think the fact that Nina is raising with you left to go after you raised the flop effectively reduces driverseati's equity to ~0% here. Nina's a great player but I don't think he's sick enough to have KxJh preflop, call the flop, raise the turn as a bluff and bet the river against what looks like two super strong hands given flop action.

It becomes a more interesting decision when Chris doesn't overplay his hand on the flop but given flop action I think Jeremy is dead on.

Rob

I call all of these intending to cd mostly. I would probably just c/c down in your spot depending on board texture as well. I'd be more likely to fold A5 on the river depending on my opponent. I also call with my sd type draws and semi-sd type draws to answer your balance question

*Blinks* So you're c/r mid pair or better? Isn't THAT easy to play against?

*Blinks* So you're c/r mid pair or better? Isn't THAT easy to play against?

Simple question. Simple answer. No, aparantly.

*Blinks* So you're c/r mid pair or better? Isn't THAT easy to play against?

Why do you think it would be?

Well because then I can simply fold bottom pair to your c/r? Not to mention all of my A highs that don't have 6 outs?

The idea behind c/r wide is that it becomes difficult to tell what you're doing it with. If you're only c/r your premium hands, then I waste no time folding against you.

Or I guess you're going to say that you also mix in flush draws/straight draws in there to balance it? But what about rainbow flops?