Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by DeathDonkey (Mid Stakes)

Time Link to 00:00:23

Hi guys,

DD do you agree with OTR that you should never fold anything you would open with on the button in this situation after it is capped?

Time Link to 00:11:58

I think this should be a clear bet on the turn by the SB against DDs OR/flop peel range. True, the BB may be thinking that DD will wait for the turn to raise, however, on this particular board there are very few of those hands that he would/should be doing this with. I feel there are far more hands that will call another bet or check behind here. In fact, I think with DDs holding, he should raise the flop for reasons OTR stated.

I think you can eliminate hands like KK,QQ,99 since DD would cap these preflop. He may just call KK sometimes in this scenario but early on in the session I'd think he would be capping and he would play this fast on this flop anyway. BTW, I don't claim to have a great read on DD, I think this is how some good players would play it. I also think he would raise the flop with all hands K9 or higher as well as some combo draw type hands like QT, QJ etc.

I don't think DD will be bluffing if checked to here often since BBs check looks defensive. The hands he could get BB to fold like 66,77,88 are too few in number in my opinion to make a bluff worth while. Therefore, I think most bets from DD on the turn will be for value. Since there is pretty good possibility that the turn may get checked through and given the strength of the BBs hand he should definately bet.

Time Link to 00:17:31

I like BBs CR on this river. I think this is a great way to get extra bets from aggressive thinking players. As you guys mentioned, most players would donk an Ace here and most players would also bet the turn with AQ. Once the BB checks this river his hand is highly underrept which means DD has every reason to believe his hand is good and he should bet. Also, from the BBs POV DDs turn bet looks like it is for value or possibly a draw both of which are hands DD will probably bet on the river either for value or a bluff.

I think given WTF aspects of the CR and also the fact that it is early in a session against tough players it seems reasonable that DD will bet and call down lightly here.

I think it is pretty optimistic to hope that the BB is turning a hand like 98 into a bluff on the river. First of all, there aren't many of those in his range preflop. Second, I think it would be pretty optimistic from BBs POV, that DD will fold anything he is betting on the river that is better.

After further review I would fold the K3, however, I can see how in the heat of the moment this could be a call which makes the villians CR even better.

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Time Link to 00:22:24

Would you guys be more inclined to bet a hand like 5s5d on this turn since you may now be able to get 66,77,88 or a pair of 7s to fold?

great video , really enjoyed the breakdown of ranges in the last multiway pot. I agree with OTR's logic that driverseati is never never never good on the turn with AA.

also interesting discussion about just calling two cold in the big blind with everything playable when UTG or UTG+1 opens and sb 3bets.

Time Link to 00:25:04

Wow! this is the difference between playing in tough games against very good opponents and the games I play in. I would never have thought once about checking this river since Ace high seems to call here always even though they beat basically nothing. I am going to have to reevaluate how I play against tough opponents.

Wow! this is the difference between playing in tough games against very good opponents and the games I play in. I would never have thought once about checking this river since Ace high seems to call here always even though they beat basically nothing. I am going to have to reevaluate how I play against tough opponents.

I found this interesting too, cuz id bet this automatically. At this point hands beating us are 8x and hands that payoff are 99; there are 6 combos of 99 and depending on his 3betting range, if he 3bets A8s-Q8s then its 50/50 if looser then it d be a losing value bet; though its weird cuz he donked into a preflop capper.

Hi guys,

DD do you agree with OTR that you should never fold anything you would open with on the button in this situation after it is capped?

Hi motienko, something's wrong with your time stamp. Your question pertains to the action at this point.

I remember the same thing happened in a recent Elephant Tamer episode as well - you asked a question but linked to a VERY early time (still in the intro I think). Not sure why, but I just want to make you aware of it.

Wow! this is the difference between playing in tough games against very good opponents and the games I play in. I would never have thought once about checking this river since Ace high seems to call here always even though they beat basically nothing. I am going to have to reevaluate how I play against tough opponents.

Yeah this is a good point and I remember someone making a similar comment during a previous home game. Actually I think it was DeathDonkey in the immediately prior home game (with fnupple and crew) - I'm not sure if it was in his solo portion or the part he did with Rob.

Anyway, he said that it's interesting to watch how you just don't win as much against good players in some spot and that this is part of what makes them 'tough' (as a corollary I think it's fair to say we are also in danger of losing more in other types of spots). I think this should make sense intuitively - - I mean it's not like good/tough players are actually dealt more good hands / hit their draws more often.

Time Link to 00:48:12

From groth's position one thing that almost always comes up when we check in a spot like this is that we are 'turning our hand face up.' How do you balance the times you check here? I assume you don't have much that is going to x/f. Is this a spot where you'd consider screw-playing something like AK/AA from time to time?

Also, how would you play a hand like 88 here?

Time Link to 01:00:36

I'm guessing that driverseati might have thought he had the PF lead here and thus thought he was just cbetting this flop rather than donking. I mean, he probably knew he put in 4 bets PF and he can see he has aces, so he might have made the not-unreasonable leap that he was the last PF aggressor. To be fair, you don't often cold call 4 bets PF.

That said, of course I think a flop x/r is better here too.

Would you guys be more inclined to bet a hand like 5s5d on this turn since you may now be able to get 66,77,88 or a pair of 7s to fold?

I doubt 77 is gonna fold as it's a set, but in general I think you would be better off barreling the weaker part of your range rather than something as "in between" value/bluff wise as 55.