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Duel: Vanessa Selbst (#4) - $2/4 HU PLO

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Duel: Vanessa Selbst (#4) - $2/4 HU PLO by fslexcduck

Vanessa sits down to let us follow some $2/4 Heads Up PLO action.

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  • Game: plo
  • Stakes: Mid Stakes
  • 62 minutes long
  • Posted about 2 years ago

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Onraad

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Acombfosho

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Time Link to 00:59:36

you have him tagged as green but he plays pretty good (results are good anyway) i take it green doesnt mean fish for you? or maybe it does?

Posted about 2 years ago

fslexcduck

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you have him tagged as green but he plays pretty good (results are good anyway) i take it green doesnt mean fish for you? or maybe it does?



no my colors don't mean anything. i don't know how to use your newfangled technology.

Posted about 2 years ago

RRB

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Very good video with lots of interesting spots. Interesting opponent as well.
One thing. U go uh,ah a lot when u think and then u forget sometimes what you were gonna say. Really watch that cause it kinda ruins the video

Posted about 2 years ago

TianYuan

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Time Link to 00:00:11

How can you fold KKJ4r in the BB here? You called the exact same hand (ok maybe it was KKJ2r) like 3 minutes ago, in the exact same situation!

And it's KINGS. Heads up. I don't get it.

Misread hand somehow?

Posted about 2 years ago

TianYuan

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Time Link to 00:00:12

Meh the timeline thingy messed up last time - 0:09:12 is the correct time stamp.

Posted about 2 years ago

Foukus

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How can you fold KKJ4r in the BB here? You called the exact same hand (ok maybe it was KKJ2r) like 3 minutes ago, in the exact same situation!

And it's KINGS. Heads up. I don't get it.

Misread hand somehow?



I'm giving my own thinking about this, Vanessa will probably give her later.

As we have seen, our villain is superaggro and he is making so much pressure against us. Yes, we have kings, but our hand sucks in terms of playability. We are oop so we pretty much know he is going to fire barrel(s) at us and it's so hard to play hands like these profitably oop against aggressive villain. If we don't hit our king, we have to fold most of the boards, at least on the turn when getting fired at 2nd barrel.

I like really folding all of my JJ/QQ/KK rainbow + rags hand against aggressive guys just because of their playability sucks and oop is hard. It would be bigger leak to play it than fold it.

And about that earlier KKJ2r hand, at least I understood that she said she should have folded it too.

Posted about 2 years ago

TianYuan

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So you'd fold 22 preflop in hold'em?

22 might have more value as a set in hold'em than a set of Ks in omaha (though, HU, I'm not sure if the difference is that big, we are going to be oversetting a lot), but KKJ4 has quite a bit more playability than 22 in HE, to make up for that.

Meh, I see the reasoning but I absolutely cannot agree with it, especially after she had already shown she was capable of maneuvering unimproved KK to showdown a few hands earlier.

Posted about 2 years ago

Foukus

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So you'd fold 22 preflop in hold'em?

22 might have more value as a set in hold'em than a set of Ks in omaha (though, HU, I'm not sure if the difference is that big, we are going to be oversetting a lot), but KKJ4 has quite a bit more playability than 22 in HE, to make up for that.

Meh, I see the reasoning but I absolutely cannot agree with it, especially after she had already shown she was capable of maneuvering unimproved KK to showdown a few hands earlier.



I can't say anything about NLHE as I haven't played it too much, but in general I don't like setmining in HUPLO. It's just not profitable enough, especially oop. In position we can maneuvere a lot more so there it's easy open. And as we have seen, this villain was ready to gamble and get it in pretty lightly. I don't also like comparing PLO and NLHE hands together. It doesn't add any info because these games play so different anyway.

Posted about 2 years ago

shawshank

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Time Link to 00:48:40

Isn't this a clear call on the river when the draws brick & there is only one straight possible on board? He could be betting two pair [possibly worse] on the flop & turn his hand into a bluff on the river w/ his pair + f/d [or gutshot] & two pair + f/d [or gutshot], or a top pair + broadway wrap on flop. In fact, I was predicting that you were going to c/r the river for value vs his range....especially with a 100bb stack + given how aggro villain was post-flop.

tx, s/s.

Posted about 2 years ago

TianYuan

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I can't say anything about NLHE as I haven't played it too much, but in general I don't like setmining in HUPLO. It's just not profitable enough, especially oop. In position we can maneuvere a lot more so there it's easy open. And as we have seen, this villain was ready to gamble and get it in pretty lightly. I don't also like comparing PLO and NLHE hands together. It doesn't add any info because these games play so different anyway.


Ok, an Omaha example:
Are you folding AA38r?

The difference between that and KKJ4 is pretty tiny...

EDIT: Or rather, the difference in post-flop playability is kind of tiny.

Posted about 2 years ago

fslexcduck

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Honestly I don't think he is betting anything worse for value. The worst I thought he'd bet for value there was a set. When he bets J97ss he is pretty strong generally, so when all the draws miss, I can't imagine he is betting very thin for value. I just felt gross about the size bc i thought he'd bet a bit smaller if his goal were to get me off my pair + draw hands... I could be wrong of course, but I just felt like the bet sizing meant he had it. This is normally a 100% call spot given all the draws missed, but he knows that and he saw me in check/call mode and when all draws miss on a 2 flush draw + straight draw kind of a board, I don't see very aggro players who are very good bluffing terribly often for pot sized bets (since the kinds of hands he wants me to fold will fold for less and the kinds of hands i'm pot controlling with like 2 pair or a set he expects me to call with either way).

Rewatching this (made it a while ago), a great example of what I'm talking about is at 5:30 on the 689K3 board - he expects me to have a pretty weak range, and his bluff is 125 into 175. This hand is a very similar situation, and given what he had been doing, I felt like he'd have bet less without the goods. I hope he comes in here so he can enlighten us Smile

Posted about 2 years ago

shoobri

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Hey Vanessa, great video, great insight into hu strategy,well worth watching please make more. Did you ever post the HU video you made with Karls_Hungus?

Posted about 2 years ago

Rossa85

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Great vid Vanessa, we hope we will see more very soon Smile

Posted about 2 years ago




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