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Elephant Tamer : Episode Seven
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Good stuff. Discussion on checking street aggression for evaluating thin flop peels is gold. It sounds like such a basic concept, yet is not something I do with any regularity and seemingly need to really start doing.
Time Link to 00:20:39
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Is this DC's own Slide making an appearance?
Kind of a gross spot with KQo in a capped pot. Equity is not helped by the fact that any A has a gutterball and there is a FD on the board. With the pot so huge, I guess we have to peel but I hate our hand here.
Time Link to 00:25:22
A7s seems somewhat close against a lagtag's HJ opening range. What's the worst suited ace you 3bet here? I'm pretty sure I fold A7s as well, but A8s, A9s is starting to feel like a 3!.
Time Link to 00:51:01
Regarding the AJo hand, is there any merit to check/calling the turn? You have A high and a double gutter. I think you're 50/50 against a range of pairs and gutshots. Any pair that called the flop is calling again on the turn, and you have a blocker to the gutshots and the J
against flushes. A villain with a draw might also be willing to fire the turn but not the river so you can get to showdown against them for just 1 bet.
Good stuff. Discussion on checking street aggression for evaluating thin flop peels is gold. It sounds like such a basic concept, yet is not something I do with any regularity and seemingly need to really start doing.
Then I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised by the number of guys who have non-zero aggression stats on the flop and turn and then ~0 on the river. There are other patterns, but that's probably one of the more prominent / easy to exploit ones.
Is this DC's own Slide making an appearance?
Yep! But I believe it's actually SIide (capital "I").
I agree with you on the rest of the hand.
A7s seems somewhat close against a lagtag's HJ opening range. What's the worst suited ace you 3bet here? I'm pretty sure I fold A7s as well, but A8s, A9s is starting to feel like a 3!.
Yeah, I agree it's close. I would have popped ATs and probably folded lower. Not that A7s-A9s are the same hand, but I kind of feel like I should tend to play them the same a lot of the time (here, but not in all spots). When he has two big cards my side card is lower than either of his cards whether it's a 7 or 9, so I'm really only gaining significantly on a small portion of his PP range (when I pick up a second OC to his hand).
That said there's definitely an argument for the 3! He tanked PF - I'm not sure if that should affect my decision (i.e., if he has a hand he needs to think about it's because he's making a r/f decision, not because he's considering LRR-ing a monster). Also, to be honest I'm not sure if I noticed at the time that UTG was sitting out and we were dealt 5 handed.
Regarding the AJo hand, is there any merit to check/calling the turn? You have A high and a double gutter. I think you're 50/50 against a range of pairs and gutshots. Any pair that called the flop is calling again on the turn, and you have a blocker to the gutshots and the J
Yeah, I know what you're saying. But I do think he has some hands that peel once and fold here UI, which I don't want to give them a free shot at 6+ outs. Also there is now a BDFD that I want to charge.
Also we'd be barreling often here after 3-betting PF. I really have one of the weakest hands in my range (KJ being the other) - almost everything else I 3! here is just value betting him to death.
Lastly I agree that some people will not pull the trigger on the river - that's part of the reason I think this river is a x/f. But keep in mind that when you check the turn AND river you're showing more weakness than the line I took, which tends to embolden your opponent. In other words, I think there might be a greater chance you get barreled off when you check the turn than when I take the line I took.
Time Link to 00:47:36
One thing I'd like to add to how I played this AJs hand:
The same villain 3-bet me here with 97s and then barreled off UI.
Incidentally, I held AJs in that hand as well. Please do not confuse either of these with the AJo hand I raised and folded to a cap! The name of this episode probably should have been changed to, 'how to get dealt AJ a lot.'
Time Link to 00:03:00
J4o - Second Pair. Why is this a fold?
Unraised pot, 3 handed. Isn't our equity way too high?
Good vid as always guys.
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J4o - Second Pair. Why is this a fold?
Unraised pot, 3 handed. Isn't our equity way too high?
I agree. I was surprised you folded.
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22 in the sb. One limper, we complete sb, bb checks, flop KK4 again and we x/f? Neither of you mention one word about this hand.
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on right at about 7:00. We fold to a donk from BB hu on A93
. I at least peel with 2 overs to the 9 and the bdFD/bdSD.
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Hero 75o in BB, UTG opens, Flop 743rb, Hero x/r and we get 3-bet.
If we think villain is 3betting the flop with overs, should we call the river when he bets both big streets?
If we cap and lead, if we're raised on the turn we have equity to call and spike verses a probable overpair (and avoid folding to a FSDR), folding the river UI.
Do you think playing the hand in a way that has us fold is bad here considering his UTG open?
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66 on right at 29:00. We open, the btn cc's, BB calls. We fold to a flop x/r from the BB (lagtaggy stats) on a A22 board after the btn folds to our cbet. The BB is getting 15:4 on a flop x/r here. Could you talk about this spot a bit more? How strong does our PP/hand need to be here before you continue?
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K9cc on right 29:15.
Why are we calling the turn here planning to fold the river UI? This doesn't sound like a great plan to me here.
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I like the turn semi-bluff with T8o. 
I doubt all villains at 2/4 call the turn with all PPs here, much less Khigh. If not, we have many outs verses this large range of better hands we are targeting.
gg
ciao
Yep! But I believe it's actually SIide (capital "I").
I can confirm this. I find it interesting that from your table selecting you decided to sit at a table with a DC member on your left.
K9cc on right 29:15.
Why are we calling the turn here planning to fold the river UI? This doesn't sound like a great plan to me here.
This confused me a bit as well. The way you two discussed it, it sounded as though you were calling hoping he checks the river back with A high which doesn't make sense with K high.
Maybe you were considering Ch/Calling the river unimproved thinking he would polarize his range to bluffs and good pairs? That seems a little out there though. Maybe you were hoping he would check back some worse missed draws as well and our hand would be good occasionally?
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Is this DC's own Slide making an appearance?
Kind of a gross spot with KQo in a capped pot. Equity is not helped by the fact that any A has a gutterball and there is a FD on the board. With the pot so huge, I guess we have to peel but I hate our hand here.
agree, i definitely think a fold would be defensible here, and if we had a nice diamond in our hand i think we'd all be more happy calling, so it has to be pretty close
A7s seems somewhat close against a lagtag's HJ opening range. What's the worst suited ace you 3bet here? I'm pretty sure I fold A7s as well, but A8s, A9s is starting to feel like a 3!.
it would really depend on the guy for me
there are some guys i always 3bet a5s+ vs here. vs an "unknown" lagtag i think a8s+ always would be reasonable, adding in more based on table dynamic, our image, if he's foldy post, etc
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