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Proper PLO : Episode One


TazUltimate

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Is this entire series going to be FR?

Posted about 2 years ago

Ribbo

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Is this entire series going to be FR?


Nope, it was a filler while I waited for students to actually log on skype for some coaching!

Posted about 2 years ago

Bonito

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I liked the change of pace w/ FR.

Also I love listening to people accross the pond comentate stuff. I guess that is why I like watching the EPL so much. Comentators over there all seem to assume their listeners are inteligent enough to understand words that might be in an 8th grade vocabulary lesson. Where they decide to dumb down comentary over here and never use words w/ more than 2 sylables.

Good luck getting rid of the swine flu.

Posted about 2 years ago

Ribbo

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Well there were a few interesting hands this session. Shame one of them happened whilst I was coughing away lol. Smile
It wouldn't have made for a good series if I had done the first episode with more coughing that coaching.

Posted about 2 years ago

asidrane

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Good change of pace indeed. I just tested out full ring plo on Full Tilt. The game was .10/.25, started short handed, but eventually filled up. The entire table played passively and poorly. Seems like full ring games are more straight forward than six max, no?

Posted about 2 years ago

poon8855

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Time Link to 00:36:04

Ribbo, I see you play top two very aggressively in this whole video. I dont really know how to play to pair yet. I usaly play two pair agressivly if I have redraws, but passively if I have naked two pair. Obviously board texture matters alot, JhThAhAd isn't that great on JsTs9s. But if I have AsAc8s9c on 8d9d2h I usaly check call OOP and see a safe turn IP. Asumming the pot is 3ways, all players 100bb.

With regards to the 6kkt hand, How would you play this hand if your opponents both had 100bb? would you be bet folding the flop? Betting 2/3 pot on the flop, calling a raise and planing on folding all turns except a 6/t/k? A,Q,J seem the only real safe cards, so if one oppent check/calls your flop bet are you betting these and only these cards? I would put there raising range on 66**,55**,tt**,789*. Maybe this is to tight? Would typical oppoents semi-bluff here with tjqa? or a naked 87?

I dont know how 200plo plays, but If the oppent c/c the flop I would put him on something like 78xx, jj+, 65xx, tjqa, 43xx so I guess top 2 is ahead on most turns, and poting flop and turn is correct.

Posted about 2 years ago

poon8855

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Ribbo, vs this short stack isnt it correct to just shove this flop? If he was deeper I think a flop shove is still good cause vs JJ**, you have 46.6% equity, just shy of a coin flip. If you widen his range to something like, jj**,jt89,66**,tt**,akq*,j6mm, we have 46% equity.

With 100bb or less Isnt it correct to just shove the flop?

With 200bb I think its probably better to call and play the turn.

Posted about 2 years ago

moneytize

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awesome video! i think every video needs an accent like that. its calm, relaxing, and humorously informational lol.

ps. thanks for editing out the coughing

Posted about 2 years ago

Ribbo

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Ribbo, vs this short stack isnt it correct to just shove this flop? If he was deeper I think a flop shove is still good cause vs JJ**, you have 46.6% equity, just shy of a coin flip. If you widen his range to something like, jj**,jt89,66**,tt**,akq*,j6mm, we have 46% equity.

With 100bb or less Isnt it correct to just shove the flop?

With 200bb I think its probably better to call and play the turn.



This is not about equity, this is about hand reading. When a nit check raises you, and you know it's a set, it's NEVER correct to shove a draw, even when slight favourite.

It becomes a question of saving money. Your opponent cannot fold a set on the turn if you hit. You however can save money if the board pairs.
So by not shoving the flop you risking your $30 against your opponents $70. (as he will always put that $70 in)

Posted about 2 years ago

BIGGROBB

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Your opponent cannot fold a set on the turn if you hit. You however can save money if the board pairs.


This is a pretty big assumption on your part. If a villain is capable of folding a set then you have a real problem with getting paid off on your draws because you are playing them straight up. Furthermore on non-pairing turns you just turned a winning hand into an equity loser.

Posted about 2 years ago

Ribbo

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This is a pretty big assumption on your part. If a villain is capable of folding a set then you have a real problem with getting paid off on your draws because you are playing them straight up. Furthermore on non-pairing turns you just turned a winning hand into an equity loser.



Why don't you at least watch the hand in question before you comment?
Go look at stack sizes then get back to me.
The hand was never a "winning" hand, whatever that means. The equity vs a set will always be less than 50%
We have 17 outs on a non pairing turn to a straight so it's impossible to ever not have odds to call even with full pot sizes.
By shoving the flop we negate position and allow our opponent to play his set perfectly. This hand is not a question of equity but one of risking less money than our opponent for the same reward.

Posted about 2 years ago

heh

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Why don't you at least watch the hand in question before you comment?
Go look at stack sizes then get back to me.



Your comment was directed at someone asking a question on varying stacksizes.

Why don't you stop posting arrogant nonsense and then get back to me and everyone else?

Posted about 2 years ago

Joe Tall

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Everyone play nice, this is a learning environment, not 2p2, thanks.

Posted about 2 years ago




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