OnTheRail15
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Time Link to 00:05:51
I really like just calling on this board texture with our whole continuing range. While a lot of the things that you say make sense regarding the coordinated nature of the board, the thing that stood out to me was that you said you should be waiting for the turn with a pretty weak range and raising the flop with hands like 77 and JT.
I strongly believe you need to call both of these hands planning to raise the turn. If you're also peeling your marginal hands (such as this one), draws, and strong hands, you're going to have semibluffing opportunities on pretty much any turn card. So your range will be more flexible and opaque if you wait with all of it... Also since your range is so wide when you peel the flop, there are no turn cards that can come that will make your range too strong when you raise that card.
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Boomer
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Nice vid Deathdonkey really enjoyed it
Can't wait to see new season, anything with you and mikel usually involves mass arguing and a ton of strategy so all fun 
Just one though piqued my interest here
You mention that you almost never raise this board. Does that mean you're not a fan of dry board flop bluffs on boards like these as you don't have enough value hands in the your range to balance the time you're taking a shot so instead you tend to wait for the turn if you're going to bluff here since you'd do that with strong hands too? Just a thought that interested me since I know more than a couple of players you'll love to take shots on boards like that.
Wow did that table on the right go the the wall at the end, bye bye Mr West and brad, hello Zzeigler and B0rg....d'oh!!
Anyway, good stuff and thanks for the vid
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Time Link to 00:40:26
There's no way I'm folding 99 on the river here vs this guy even though you soul read him.
The fact he c.called your UTG open with A3o shows he's really just looking to play back at you. He's probably pissed you didn't respect his river C/R on the 3c earlier with your TPTK. I'm pretty sure in the QAAA hand he could find reasons to fire with his KJ/KT etc stuff too. I mean I'm not sure yet but I'd find it hard to fold any pair here, even if the river came T,J or K.
I would have also made the KQo call earlier as you talked about on the, I think it was something like, 89553 flop. He definitely strikes me as the type who may be 'bluffing' with his weaker Ax on the river but I think he'd barrel all his QT/QJ/KT/KJ too. Not sure what stove says about our overall equity here though, it might be a good fold.
Very cool to hear you and Mike are going to do another series.
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OnTheRail15
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Re: AK blind battle with heisenb3rg
I think the river decision is a close but clear call. Yes, a scary card did hit on the river and his range will be fairly strong, but we have one of the stronger hands in our range, especially since the 4 paired on the turn. I'm not sure if you put more action in with your sevens, but either way he'll be giving up with zero bluffs on this particular river card. I would guess on a more blankish card, he'd be checking back with, for example, the king high flush draw pretty regularly.
So his bluff range should expand here along with his value range. Interestingly this is why, if heis is going to raise this flop, he should be raising with hands like Kx and Ax of diamonds... the fact that we have the ace of diamonds makes me want to call a bit less, but not enough to fold such a strong hand within our range.
Edit: I thinking hoping for him to be valuebetting like AQ is really optimistic... If he does bet AQ- on this river it's as a bluff.
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Re: weird f'ing river c/r with AK on K3573 board
I stopped when you mention that it's between call and threebet... I think I threebet, I think. How's that for committal? It just seems so much more likely he decided to play a hand like KQ, QQ, JJ, TT like this until the river than a hand like AA, KK or AQ, AJ of clubs... Remember the hand started 3ways and his relative position is good so he would probably be betting his biggest hands for value on the flop...
Of course he probably has like A3 of spades.
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DeathDonkey
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In my playing experience when a situation comes up like this and I raise, I'm either getting 3bet by a hand I can never beat or the opponent is folding. It never seems to be a +EV play.
Meh, people hate folding, high stakes players especially hate folding, I don't worry too much about people over-folding 
It's hard to think how I'm beat and he doesn't go for the CR, that said, its hard to think what he has at all.
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DeathDonkey
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With the 99 hand do you ever consider a b/f on the turn when this opponent calls the flop? Are you trying to get to a SD vd. him based on the odd play he made earlier in the game with AQ?
I think checking gets him to make a bad bluff more often. That said it doesn't seem like the sort of flop texture I'd expect him to float a ton on. Overall though I don't want to be folding much to him given his weird plays earlier.
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