Could we get some live play full ring please? The last live fr play before this was Sept. 7 and before that was July 18. That's just ridiculous.
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Could we get some live play full ring please? The last live fr play before this was Sept. 7 and before that was July 18. That's just ridiculous.
Could we get some live play full ring please? The last live fr play before this was Sept. 7 and before that was July 18. That's just ridiculous.
I've frequently expressed my opinion against live play FR videos before, and I'm not sure we'll have any in this series. We'll probably have some ghost videos coming out at some point, and I've encouraged my dojo members to make some member videos, but I don't think any of them have done that yet.
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I see your point here, but I'm 2nd barreling this like all the time, if I decided to c-bet:
1. Overcards are imo a pretty big part of his range, when he is calling the c-bet here. Why would this flop have hit us?
2. If we check behind the turn, we basically give away, that we don't have an overpair. This is such a weak line, that he is going to bet like any overcard coming down on the river. At least I'd do that in his position. We then have 3th pair, and if he is betting big enough, we really can't call anymore, and have to lay down a hand, which might have been still the best.
3. If we do barrel a 2nd time, he is going to fold quite a big part of his range and we achieve a showdown for the price we decided ourself at the turn alot of times if he doesn't. I think he is going to have a hard time betting the river into us after 2 barrels without a really strong hand.
Is there a flaw in my thought-process?
I see your point here, but I'm 2nd barreling this like all the time, if I decided to c-bet:
1. Overcards are imo a pretty big part of his range, when he is calling the c-bet here. Why would this flop have hit us?
2. If we check behind the turn, we basically give away, that we don't have an overpair. This is such a weak line, that he is going to bet like any overcard coming down on the river. At least I'd do that in his position. We then have 3th pair, and if he is betting big enough, we really can't call anymore, and have to lay down a hand, which might have been still the best.
3. If we do barrel a 2nd time, he is going to fold quite a big part of his range and we achieve a showdown for the price we decided ourself at the turn alot of times if he doesn't. I think he is going to have a hard time betting the river into us after 2 barrels without a really strong hand.
Is there a flaw in my thought-process?
I disagree with you that he'll show up with many overcards here.
1) Why would he call our flop bet with overcards? (unless he has a strong ace high, maybe, but I really doubt you'll see him show up with KQ or something worse)
2) If he does call us on the flop with overcards, its most likely because he thinks he has the best hand. If so, he's going to try and show it down. Theres no reason for him to valuebet us with ace high, and no reason to bluff us if thinks he has the best hand, so I doubt we'll face a bet from him on later streets unless he has improved.
The only reason we should be concerned is if we think he's floating us with air planning to steal the pot on later streets, and that just seems very unlikely, especially against FR opponents at this level. I expect his actual range to be mostly hands that are stronger than ours, with some weaker ones, and the weaker ones will let us show down our hands easily while the stronger ones will probably not, so our plan should be to just check down all the way unless we improve (or unless we decide to bluff a big card on the river).
Is it possible to do a video about mass multitabling FR (16+ tables) at some point? I have a somewhat hard time on things like note taking, table selection, how to organize tables/stats on the screen etc while mass multitabling...
Is it possible to do a video about mass multitabling FR (16+ tables) at some point? I have a somewhat hard time on things like note taking, table selection, how to organize tables/stats on the screen etc while mass multitabling...
Mass multitabling isn't really something I can get behind. I don't think you're gonna get any better at poker when you're doing it (unless you have amazing statistical analytics skills and put in plenty of time with them), and its my job to make you better at poker.
I'd recommend that you find some other dudes who do it well and ask them about it though, if you're into that sort of thing.
Mass multitabling isn't really something I can get behind. I don't think you're gonna get any better at poker when you're doing it (unless you have amazing statistical analytics skills and put in plenty of time with them), and its my job to make you better at poker.
I'd recommend that you find some other dudes who do it well and ask them about it though, if you're into that sort of thing.
Yes, I realise this and mega tabling is totally not (and never will be) only thing I do. It's just something I have been lately experiment and this concept has also been talked f.ex. on Movin' on up: Fullring nl series. I understand that the straight educational value is very low when there is zillion tables running but I feel like it def could help on areas I mentioned before. Maybe I'll ask Nolan about it. Really great series btw ![]()
Is it possible to do a video about mass multitabling FR (16+ tables) at some point? I have a somewhat hard time on things like note taking, table selection, how to organize tables/stats on the screen etc while mass multitabling...
I think it's tough to make a masstabling video that is really watchable and adds a whole lot of value. If I made a video of a typical session of mine, you'd just see one stack of tables constantly popping up on top of eachother, along with me constantly studying the lobby and swapping better tables in for worse ones. And there would be no way I could talk about anything while all that was going on. Also DC tends to be very anti-masstabling (which I agree is good advice for most people, but not for myself personally) so I don't think they would support such a video even if we could pull it off.
If you have questions about masstabling issues, feel free to start a thread in the Full Ring forum and I'll try to respond there. I typically play an average of around 16 tables or so, really varies between 12 and 20, so not quite as many as most of the SNE grinders, but enough that I'm familiar with most of the issues and have found some tricks and tools that seem to work well.
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The deuce on the river induces our villain to lead out weak; he can't be seeing pocket deuces in our range. That said, isn't coming back with such a strong raise weaken it strategically as a value play? I want his call. Doesn't our hero's bet size ($24) cross the line and push worse hands to fold?
Follow up to above: my initial analysis was to come back over lightly, say $14, $15 or simply go all-in with thoughts of (poorly) representing a missed flush.
Thoughts?
P.S. MattiValto,
Is it possible to do a video about mass multitabling FR (16+ tables) at some point?
Can you improve your game while multitabling like this? Hats off to you.
That's like Bobby Fischer blowing through the World Speed Chess Championships somewhere in Yugoslavia, back in the early 70s. - Essential non sequitur - Fischer simultaneously crushed 22 people. Then, in the coolest intellectual stunt ever, he rattled off the scores of all twenty-two games involving more than 1,000 moves, from memory. He said in a radio interview years later that the only problem for him was seeing the boards just 4 moves ahead versus his usual six to eight.
The deuce on the river induces our villain to lead out weak; he can't be seeing pocket deuces in our range. That said, isn't coming back with such a strong raise weaken it strategically as a value play? I want his call. Doesn't our hero's bet size ($24) cross the line and push worse hands to fold?
Nah I think its a pretty good size. I don't expect him to fold too many second best hands for that price, but I also don't expect him to call a shove with those hands. If we make it smaller we may get slightly more value from his marginal made hands, but there aren't a ton of those in his range and even then he might dump them.
Thanks for your reply.
P.S. MattiValto, Can you improve your game while multitabling like this? Hats off to you.
That's like Bobby Fischer blowing through the World Speed Chess Championships somewhere in Yugoslavia, back in the early 70s. - Essential non sequitur - Fischer simultaneously crushed 22 people. Then, in the coolest intellectual stunt ever, he rattled off the scores of all twenty-two games involving more than 1,000 moves, from memory. He said in a radio interview years later that the only problem for him was seeing the boards just 4 moves ahead versus his usual six to eight.
Agree. Also Bobby Fischer is a badass, that story was new to me. He'd be such a sick poker grinder if he was like 18-25 right now!
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