shawshank
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How much does your relatively small raise of his min bet donk on the turn change your decision to call villain's raise on the turn? In other words, how often will your small bet induce a semi/bluff raise from a competent opponent on the turn from hands that you are ahead of (two pair, f/d, pair + gutshot)?
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How much does your relatively small raise of his min bet donk on the turn change your decision to call villain's raise on the turn? In other words, how often will your small bet induce a semi/bluff raise from a competent opponent on the turn from hands that you are ahead of (two pair, f/d, pair + gutshot)?
s/s.
The dry side pot dynamic changes things a lot. If my raise were a bluff, for example, I'd be risking $95 to win $10. Rebluffing here would be completely insane.
Villain donks psb on 3 flush + poss straight river. How deep would stacks have to be for this to be a relatively clear bet/fold for you? (Or is this situation never a bet/fold?)
tx. s/s.
Do you mean if I were in villain's shoes with the straight or do you mean when would I raise/fold the river?
I don't think I'd ever raise/fold the river here. I'd only raise if we were short enough that a raise would be a tiny shove that I'd expect him to call like TP. Even then it would be fairly close because I don't think he donks pot very often with something between TP and a flush very often, but because there are so few that beat me, I think it'd be good to minraise shove the river if stacks were appropriate for that.
If you mean when would I bet/fold in villain's shoes against myself.. we wouldn't have to be too deep at all. I guess I'd call if we went into the river like 700 deep, but in reality a straight is basically never good when I raise this river donk bet. I also obviously never get to this river with QhTh...
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mrjusticerowlatt
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1st hand:
Do you ever see people betting big (in villains shoes) like this with like AQ in a river spot like this (maybe a spot where he can more credibly rep a bluff) where opponents will look at the potsize bet and percieve a polarised range ('he either has nuts of air and nuts is hard to get!') in an attempt to induce them to bluffcatch lighter? What do you think of this potential strategy ?
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1st hand:
Do you ever see people betting big (in villains shoes) like this with like AQ in a river spot like this (maybe a spot where he can more credibly rep a bluff) where opponents will look at the potsize bet and percieve a polarised range ('he either has nuts of air and nuts is hard to get!') in an attempt to induce them to bluffcatch lighter? What do you think of this potential strategy ?
Yeah.. that definitely happens, but it's much less likely than him doing this with a polarized range.
I think in this specific spot it'd be pretty terrible for him to bet really big with AQ because I typically have a very marginal hand on the river here (or the occasional 5), so most players (including myself) are way more likely to call a small bet than a big bet in this spot.
Here you say you're setting up a 3Barrel on any non K or 8 river, how about a T?
Good question. I'd shove a T river.
I don't expect him to have a K that often. I figure KQ/KK is betting the flop most of the time. KJo is discounted heavily preflop and he might muck KJs on the flop or even turn. KTo is probably not in his preflop range and KTs is even a little discounted, and I doubt he'd slowplay the flop and turn with it too often. And he might donk shove river with any K. So that leaves him with not that many combos of Kx when river comes a T and he checks... something like 6 or 7 combos.
Then there are a decent amount of hands that he's gonna be tempted to call river with. There's 2 or 3 combos each of JTs/9Ts (depending on river suit), 6 or 7 combos each of JTo/9To that could easily be in his preflop range, 3 combos of TTT, a combo or two of QT, and a combo or two of random slowplays. Throw in goofy river hero calls, and I'd guess that there's just barely value from a river shove. It's very close.
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you say that Co will bet here often on the flop, but when BB coldcalls his 3b vs UTG open, isn't he more likely to check back a lot of his air+AK/AQ?
Well... the main thing to consider that I didn't really explain in the vid is that the risk of not stacking JJ+ is pretty negligible. That pretty much only happens when BB has JJ+ AND CO checks back (or CO checks back JJ+, which seems unlikely) AND turn comes a scare card AND BB is disciplined enough to fold such a pretty hand. That's a big parlay. So, like I say a number of times in the vid, the real ngative of checking comes from when CO has Tx AND decides to play it passively. That's pretty unlikely given what I expect CO's 3-betting range to be.
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Great video Noah! some really amazing hands.
About the 1st hand 56s on A8545 board, what if the river was a blank like a 2 or an other card, will it still be a call ?
The QJ hand on the AKTddd board, nice fold i can never make those, what makes you think CO wddnt cbet a flopped flush ?
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Great video Noah! some really amazing hands.
About the 1st hand 56s on A8545 board, what if the river was a blank like a 2 or an other card, will it still be a call ?
The QJ hand on the AKTddd board, nice fold i can never make those, what makes you think CO wddnt cbet a flopped flush ?
In the 56s hand, I'd be mucking if he two barreled and I didn't improve on the river.
In the QJ hand, it's not that I don't think he'd c-bet the flop with a flush, it's that I think he MIGHT NOT c-bet with a flopped flush (much more likely with the Q-high flush than any other, IMHO) but he would almost never check with anyother made hand or big draw. He's not shoving air over that flop action, so he'll almost always have a flush there.
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I don't think you look stupid here and to me the river call looks totally standard. Your combinatorics analysis seems right on and I think raising the river is probably spew without a read. Plus I would be very surprised if villain called a shove on this river considering you're repping almost exactly what you have and most fish are pretty wary of flushes.
if villain only had a PSB or less behind there could be value in a raise because we know he's never getting away from a worse flush and maybe even 5x (if he decided to slowplay), but for that I'd have to some EV calcs after weighting the combos. With over 100bb behind I think its def just a call.
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