Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by BigBadBabar (Micro/Small Stakes)

OK thanks again BBB.

Time Link to 01:00:43

I'm with Pygmy here. Taking 8 cards that improve you to an open-ended straight draw and counting them even as "outs" is a little generous. Those 8 cards are improving you to a hand that has like 15-20% equity, and his discounting down all the way to 1.5 or 2 outs seems spot on to me.

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I'm with Pygmy here. Taking 8 cards that improve you to an open-ended straight draw and counting them even as "outs" is a little generous. Those 8 cards are improving you to a hand that has like 15-20% equity, and his discounting down all the way to 1.5 or 2 outs seems spot on to me.

i can't match this up - what are my hole cards and on which table?

QJo in bottom right at about 1:16:00.

board A426

I'm thinking about this hand, our opponent's range, and our possible lines here. For a lot of the reasons you mentioned (what is really folding to our turn bet that called the flop on this board?), I don't think I like betting the turn and c/f the river a lot here. Are we c/f a non-club river?

What better hands are folding, what worse hands are calling? If we plan to c/f a non-club river, we aren't v-betting verse club draws on the turn, right?

What about c/c on the turn? Then probably c/f on the river UI. Our turn check would look defensive, imo, like "I have a weak pair, I'm showing down." When we check the river again, his bet is most likely for value, imo. In other words, I'm thinking that our money might be going in 'better' on this turn if we c/c. Maybe we need to have a super solid read on his river play. (not fully displaying all of my thoughts here, but you get the point.)

We also raised pf from the BB, so I'd be pretty scared when he calls the flop. (ie, he's never folding and he likes his hand.)

Thoughts?

I had a conversation with BBB today. Here are his thoughts on the hand.

bellatrix: I find myself so lost in these situations
bellatrix: I mean, first the obvious things. If I'm betting and get raised, I fold.
bellatrix: but is betting here a bluff / barrel?
bellatrix: What are you trying to fold? A club draw? Khigh?
bellatrix: you can't fold out pairs.
bellatrix: but then, it's not like your hand has value to to value check and induce some bluff
bellatrix: and in these FR games, can't we just like say, "ok, I'm done with the hand". and just c/f? Is that too weak? yes! But I hate my hand! I'm can't seem to formulate a good argument either way
bellatrix: Is it really just: "Oh it's close, I bet!" kind of stuff?
BigBadBabar: my quick response is going to be
BigBadBabar: that i 2barrel here close to 100% of my range
BigBadBabar: because my range is going to be fairly strong and it makes sense for me to bet that strong range
BigBadBabar: with a hand like if i had t9s, or this hand qjo, etc, i'm betting as a bluff mainly
BigBadBabar: like sometimes i accidentally get value from a worse draw but mostly i hope he folds a better hand, or i have some fake outs like say a king on the river or any broadway card, i'd think about barreling again
BigBadBabar: and when i have pairs here i'm valuebetting them
BigBadBabar: so b asically i'm betting my whole range here - balanced
BigBadBabar: yea if riv is a brick i prob c/f river
BigBadBabar: with qjo kind of hand
bellatrix: ok, but you said, 3barreling against these opponents is bad
bellatrix: that you don't like to 3barrel in FR
BigBadBabar: yea i don't do it often, but there is a spot for it
BigBadBabar: sometimes
bellatrix: is the A a brick?
BigBadBabar: meh i'd bet again just because i don't like checkcall really and i hate checkfold for image/balance purposes
BigBadBabar: and i dont want to have a c/r range so i can balance and then c/f
bellatrix: image / balance at 1/2 FR?
BigBadBabar: well i am so used to playing that way that i always try to do it
BigBadBabar: i don't mean like these guys will exploit me
bellatrix: I mean, I can totally understand the hating c/f
bellatrix: I hate it too, but I'm not in love with b/f either
BigBadBabar: but like if i check and they bet a draw and i call cuz wahtever
BigBadBabar: then riv brick
BigBadBabar: i check and they bet again
BigBadBabar: its dumb
BigBadBabar: i think u can b/f 100% confidently
BigBadBabar: you raised limpers pre oop and fired 2 barrels on an ace high board
BigBadBabar: you are Strong
BigBadBabar: when they raise turn it's always value monster, never semibluff
BigBadBabar: at lower stakes
BigBadBabar: i'd b/f up to maybe KK here no problem
BigBadBabar: so i have no problem b/f qj hi
bellatrix: do you have a c/c range?
bellatrix: on that board
BigBadBabar: not at these stakes
bellatrix: so you're betting 100%
BigBadBabar: at higher stakes or vs tough opponents, yes definitely
BigBadBabar: and i have a c/r range too
BigBadBabar: at say 10/20
BigBadBabar: but 1/2 or .5/1 fr online, i just bet
bellatrix: oooh, I like that
bellatrix: c/r range
bellatrix: it;s kinda hard comparing this to a high stakes game just because he ol CO
bellatrix: I think a K on the river is very interesting in this spot
bellatrix: because you're targetting Khigh, but it's also like a fake out
bellatrix: and if he has Khigh, he's just gonna call (not raise).

Somwhere along this conversation I entered the thread and noticed BusinessGypsy had already addressed this hand, sorry BG, should've just read your post and BBB's response.

Edit: I misunderstood something.