TecmoSuperBowl
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No connection there? okeeee.....
It is obviously somewhat related, but the description I posted (which is the idea Zuberi posted 6 months ago) is where we ORIGINALLY got the idea. It sounds like it is important for you to be recognized though so thank you for posting the suggestion. The votes it received helped confirm that people wanted to see a series like this.
That being said, they have only recorded one episode and they can clearly incorporate new ideas (like they have posted already).
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jk3a
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was hoping so
sometimes hard to tell w/ you! (not because you are dumb lol, bc of your humor style)
this got me thinking though, what IS the most equity we could possibly have in the perfect situation w/ 1 card to come?
I just ran one simulation and got 51%.
super dry humor ftw. let me know what you come up with. more interesting in plo i think
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linkwood
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was hoping so
sometimes hard to tell w/ you! (not because you are dumb lol, bc of your humor style)
this got me thinking though, what IS the most equity we could possibly have in the perfect situation w/ 1 card to come?
I just ran one simulation and got 51%.
I got 56.8% equity w/ kqh vs 22 (no heart) on jhthtc6c
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DiggerTheDog
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jk3a
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WiltOnTilt
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No love for my post 
Any chance you guys gonna breakdown the numbers to see how dead money fits in - and what sort of range he should ascribe you?
Or was my first post - so off the mark?
Hey Digger, did you see Peesocake's post where he counted the combos of the 2pairs vs the Jx hands and got 36 combos of 2pairs vs the 48 combos of Jx?
It is possible that I don't "need" to bluff catch with 2pair here because I'll have "enough" Jx but again it depends on which level he's on and where he thinks I'm at. Does he expect me to call him with 1pair? 2pair? or Jx only? He can probably take this line with 100% of his hands worse than the worst 2pair he thinks I call with and bluff with them and show a profit, depending on exactly how wide his range is pf and what he does with some hands like TPNK (if he cbets them and is willing to bluff that turn card with them).
It's really hard to say but if we can narrow his value range to Jx, AA/KK, and air (which is basically what I think is reasonable for most tags that I don't have a specific read on) then I think it's pretty reasonable to bluff catch with 2pair here given how hard it is for him to have Jx once he cbets (again as stated in the vid I'd expect him to check KJ, JT, and JJ behind on the flop as a default).
Obv he owned me here by correctly assessing the level I was on and being willing to make a nice thin value bet with a hand I didn't give him credit for.
Does that help?
edit: he's risking close to 1:1 on his bluff, so he's going to need me to fold a little less than half the time
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DiggerTheDog
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Wilt:
(a) Wouldnt you 4-bet/call AJ pre - reducing your Jx more.
And if you are gonna bluff catch - surely you can only ever bluff catch with two pair? Otherwise your frequency is too high - amirite?
Does he flat call BvB? How often does that happen HSNL bvB or is it always 3-bet or fold?
I would have thought his PF 3-bet range would be - 22+,A2s+,K7s+,Q8s+,J7s+,T9s,98s,87s,76s,ATo+,KJo+ ~ 20%
And your call3b range - is
AJs-ATs,KJs-K9s,Q9s+,J8s+,T9s,98s,87s,AJo-ATo,KJo-K9o,Q9o+,JTo ~12%
So am I right in saying that you are saying that your Jx is sufficient in numbers to do all the bluffcatching on this board?
i.e. the nature of his 3-betting range is not bottom heavy enough to have enough air for him to be unbalanced enough that you need to expand to the 2 pairs in your bluffcatching range?
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DiggerTheDog
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As to advice to the series.
I really prefer more HHs and mathematics rather than live play or recorded session stuff.
Wilt - always gets self consious saying he is rambling too much in those anyway. 
Both of you love talking in depth and are very good at it - I think repeats of this style and with some maths is perfect imo.
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Peesocake
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If we narrow down his range to AA/KK and AJ and QJ that's 26 combos, so he needs to have about 26 bluffing combos to break even. What kind of hands would that be? If he doesn't vbet KJ, he probably doesn't vbet any pair, except maybe Ax(s) and he might want to pot control those at some point as well. Also are they in his 3bet range? Do we know anything about that? Is it maybe our preflop call with QTo OOP that's not good? We don't really know much about him do we?
So what does he 3barrelbluffs that he 3bets preflop?
Our range is pretty Jheavy though (4:3) when we call the turn, because we probably fold a lot of our 1P hands right there (including A9s, and other Ax if they're there). Or not? Doesn't that make his bet with AQ kinda dangerous for him?
Also we don't know about his 3barrels, I mean, can't he pretty much own us in this spot by giving up on his bluffs on the river, but betting the top of his range (AQ belongs to it if he expects AT,KT,KQ,QT to call)?
Maybe there were timing issues that might has swayed him into believing we don't have a J?
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good 1st video, enjoyed it.
Sick last hand. The AQ is a value shove given he beats all other 2 pair combos in your range and your obv never folding/getting to river w/ better.
That 1st hand hero call with AK was funny lol.
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shades
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Excellent video ! I would like to see some more math. If you could id like to see how it relates to adjusting our 3b/4bet/5bet ranges and how we can construct the range based on limited info about a villian , such as stats , a hand that went to showdown and maybe cover sample size issues. That may be to off topic for this series. Are there any videos on DC that cover this ?
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