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Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by Joe Tall (Mid Stakes)

Nice, Always good to be able to bust a new move.

Time Link to 00:29:10

I like checkraise turn but what will you do on blank river or T? Do you will barrel river try make him fold somethink like 67 with 7 clubs?

I'm loving the OTR15 videos.

Side note: re-tag this as small stakes

Nice I liked the discussion of X/Ring the turn with the QT flush/straight draw. Good equity + not good SD value + lots of credible value hands in your range + lots of hands in villain's range he can get away from + you're calling anyways so might as well put in one extra bet = great spot to semibluff. I think I have been missing some of these spots. Also, OTR some of the spots where you liked cbetting the flop OOP but would X/C the turn when you hit TP or otherwise had decent SD value. This got me thinking that barrelling off with the best hand when OOP HU doesn't always get max value. Thanks guys!

Time Link to 00:43:16

I'm trying to figure out how OTR can be so critical of a flop c/r here. Is this opponent dependent, or is it just dumb to c/r here because of something else?

In this session, Joe is following a "don't 3 bet OOP HU" strategy preflop. Most people who advocate that strategy justify it by saying that they will then c/r almost all flops and thus get the same amount of money in while disguising their hand.

I'd consider this a pretty good flop for A-hi and yes, it's true that a c/r on T34 will get a lot of folds from worse hands but the alternative is to hope that your opponent bets his worse hands for you.

It's definitely a tricky board to milk maximum value from, but I'd like to hear more about OTR's justification for a c/r here being so terrible.

I'd consider this a pretty good flop for A-hi and yes, it's true that a c/r on T34 will get a lot of folds from worse hands but the alternative is to hope that your opponent bets his worse hands for you.

Right. They will. Inducing here is so much better than targeting an extremely tiny range of hands we can get value from. We are pretty far behind any sane opponent's continuing range, especially when we c/r and blow him off all his bluffs.

And people who don't threebet out of the BB do so because they get to make better decisions on different flop textures, not so they can blindly threebet any flop the dealer rolls out

Nice video, I think you 2 work well together.
I've a quick question about the whole c/ring of the T34 flop.
If we had the note that this guy was as SD bound as he ends up being (calling down w QKo) before the hand (assuming he's also calling down with as low as say K9o) would you then consider check raising your best A-highs like AJo through to hands like 22/A3 on the flop or would you still bluff catch with all of these?
(I'd think if we knew he was barrel happy with most of his range it'd be a call down esp. with the pot being small but against someone who's barrelling tendencies arn't yet known I'm not sure).

Good luck with the rest of the series

I like checkraise turn but what will you do on blank river or T? Do you will barrel river try make him fold somethink like 67 with 7 clubs?

If we check raise, we might have to give up. A Ten I might check/call, anything else, I check/fold. The most likely scenario to these type of hands is the river is checked through so I can likely see a free showdown with my Ten, and it's also one of the reasons why I have to bet a Q on the end. The one hand you mentioned 7c6x is such a small portion of his range, if it is even in this range at all.

Time Link to 00:44:16

He's not folding KJ here... like, get real joe!

Like, Get Real Joe! would be sucha great name for a band. Also, I agree with OTR that this is an awesome spot to let people valuetown themselves hu. You'll get 2 streets of random bets from the goofiest stuff.

This was an excellent video and a great idea for a series. I wish the whole series was gonna be Jer and Joe, though (imo).

If we had the note that this guy was as SD bound as he ends up being (calling down w QKo) before the hand

This is a good observation. In my opinion, it's still better to induce because he has so much random junk here that just can't call. It's a much wider part of his range than the hands we can get value from. You lose a little value the times he woulda called down with worse than A9, but gain a ton the many more times he has far less.

Great vid.

For someone looking to learn LHE coming over from other mixed games, what is a good starting point? I don't want to play at a level that really isn't going to help me b/c gameplay is so sloppy, but I also don't want to light fire to my money by playing at the same levels I do in other games(not that its all that high...lol).

Time Link to 00:30:12

Do you call a river raise here Jeremy?

Rob

This is a good observation. In my opinion, it's still better to induce because he has so much random junk here that just can't call. It's a much wider part of his range than the hands we can get value from. You lose a little value the times he woulda called down with worse than A9, but gain a ton the many more times he has far less.

Yeh generally without any further knowledge on how he plays I'd do the same and just look to c/r on improvement. Maybe vs a good player though who is pretty showdown bound but can check back some turns/rivers and wont go apeshit with draws which may otherwise cause us to end up folding the best hand before showdown it'd be a better play on a dry board like this.

This is a good observation. In my opinion, it's still better to induce because he has so much random junk here that just can't call. It's a much wider part of his range than the hands we can get value from. You lose a little value the times he woulda called down with worse than A9, but gain a ton the many more times he has far less.

You also lose less when you are behind and preserve your implied odds for when you bink the ace on the turn like a JoeTall is wont to do.