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Full Ring Binder: Episode Four

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Full Ring Binder: Episode Four by RapidEvolution

RapidEvolution and his student review hands in her HEM database with a focus on preflop play and flop play.

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RapidEvolution’s Full Ring Binder covers everything from the Fundamental Theorem of Poker to pot odds and postflop play.

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zenben

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Time Link to 00:39:36

on Q32 K 4 with QT-if we make the mistake and check back the K turn and villain leads for 1/2 pot on the 4 river, are you any more likely to call here than vs the ch/C, ch/C, lead line? My thoughts are this player is passive. He has a cbet of 0. I wish we knew his WTSD, but my guess it it's high. If we go with our id'ed range for him as med pocket pairs, flopped air, and occasional slowplays, he is checking the river hoping to get to SD with all the PP's, he will always bet his slowplayed monsters and bigger Kx hands, and we have no reason to think he suddenly decides to bluff this blank river with Ah (he's passive) so therefore it's a definite fold.

If we would have 3bet pre flop, we would have undoubtedly cbet this flop. With such small effective stacks, what's our play when he checks to us on the K turn?

Posted almost 2 years ago

zenben

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Time Link to 01:01:38

re. looking at players ahead of you when you're isoing-something else important to note, I think, is that we don't just want GOOD hands when we are in a situation like this whre we are trying to iso a LP limper and there's another likely cold caller in the blinds, we should think about what TYPE of hands plays best in the most likely scenario.

For instance, if we look to the left here, the most likely player to come along is the BB (SB is very tight) and BB is a SSed 80/20 with AF of 1.3, e.g, a fish. So we are going to want to iso with very different type of hands in this situation than if we have a TAG in the blinds or if we have 2 weak/tight players left that will rarely ever come along.

The way I understand it, if we expect the limper to call AND the LP player in the blinds to call like in the video, we should be choosing hands that play well multiway to iso with. We also need to look at stack sizes, though. Even if we're full stacked, if both of the fish who are expected to call have 30BB, we really shouldn't be isoing with small suited connectors-I'd rather have a pair, or other hands that are likely to make top pair that I'm ok stacking off with when I hit my pair on the flop.

Considering table dynamics before opening/isoing is even more important OOP. We should never open or iso in the CO/HJ before checking the Button's stats and notes.

Posted almost 2 years ago

RapidEvolution

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re. looking at players ahead of you when you're isoing-something else important to note, I think, is that we don't just want GOOD hands when we are in a situation like this whre we are trying to iso a LP limper and there's another likely cold caller in the blinds, we should think about what TYPE of hands plays best in the most likely scenario.

For instance, if we look to the left here, the most likely player to come along is the BB (SB is very tight) and BB is a SSed 80/20 with AF of 1.3, e.g, a fish. So we are going to want to iso with very different type of hands in this situation than if we have a TAG in the blinds or if we have 2 weak/tight players left that will rarely ever come along.

The way I understand it, if we expect the limper to call AND the LP player in the blinds to call like in the video, we should be choosing hands that play well multiway to iso with. We also need to look at stack sizes, though. Even if we're full stacked, if both of the fish who are expected to call have 30BB, we really shouldn't be isoing with small suited connectors-I'd rather have a pair, or other hands that are likely to make top pair that I'm ok stacking off with when I hit my pair on the flop.

Considering table dynamics before opening/isoing is even more important OOP. We should never open or iso in the CO/HJ before checking the Button's stats and notes.



Agreed. If we have players behind that are really tight or really aggro (in which case the most likely scenarios are that either people are folding or raising to take down the dead money), I'd much rather be isoing high-card or big pair hands that will play well HU. If the field is really passive (preflop AND postflop) I'm content to limp along and see a multiway flop in position with excellent implied odds.

As for the QT hand, I'm not really thrilled with the idea of 3b bluffing people unless I know that their fold to 3bet is very high and we'll have a ton of FE...especially if they're shorter stacked and we're going to hit the commitment threshold much sooner than we'd like to. I probably would NOT cbet this flop had we 3bet it pre. Our hand isn't particularly vulnerable and given stacks, it's only going to take 2 streets of betting to get the money in, so against an unknown, I'm more likely to check the flop, then bet the turn and river.

Posted almost 2 years ago

zenben

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As for the QT hand, I'm not really thrilled with the idea of 3b bluffing people unless I know that their fold to 3bet is very high and we'll have a ton of FE...especially if they're shorter stacked and we're going to hit the commitment threshold much sooner than we'd like to. I probably would NOT cbet this flop had we 3bet it pre. Our hand isn't particularly vulnerable and given stacks, it's only going to take 2 streets of betting to get the money in, so against an unknown, I'm more likely to check the flop, then bet the turn and river.



Ok, this makes sense considering stack size, however the post flop awkwardness definitely shows why folding > 3betting here. I suppose you'd need a read to 3bet, and if that read was they fold to 3bets, then it might be ok (or if they play fit/fold in 3bet pots, then 3bet/cbet, right?) .

Posted almost 2 years ago

RapidEvolution

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Ok, this makes sense considering stack size, however the post flop awkwardness definitely shows why folding > 3betting here. I suppose you'd need a read to 3bet, and if that read was they fold to 3bets, then it might be ok (or if they play fit/fold in 3bet pots, then 3bet/cbet, right?) .



Yeah if they're going to be putting in a ton of dead money preflop (via calling a 3bet with a wide range OOP and folding when they miss), then I think we could 3bet. However, we'd want to have a really solid read on their stack-off range postflop because against some opponents (those who will stack off with JJ or 2nd pair) we really can't bet/fold, but against players who won't ship over our cbet with worse, it's going to be a fold (we'd only have 18% equity vs a hand like KK on Q63)

Posted almost 2 years ago

Tovergieter

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Time Link to 00:05:59

Can this loose calling of 3bets also be applied for players who play 6/6 without reads/stats? Isn't it more likely that a player that is that tight would also call 3bets more tightly and will therefore only call more likely with better hands?

So isn't it best to do this with people who have like 14/12 and above or something like that because they are already tempted to play looser and you can easier get value of weaker hands?

Also is 3betting callingstations oke with AKo? Or do you first want to see a flop because you don't have a made hand yet. I'm asking this because you lose the minimum when you didn't hit but when you hit it's more easy to extract value from them.

Last question: would you also 3bet AKo IP when it is a multiway pot?

And again thx for all the effort you put in answering questions Grin

Posted almost 2 years ago

Tovergieter

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Time Link to 00:19:08

With reads here you mean if you know how high/low his cbet frequency on flop AND turn right or did I misunderstood? But when someone has a high went to showdown frequency would you still make this play?

Is this a play you often make on low board (atleast lower then J?). Or also sometimes on boards that are A to Q high? Or does this all depends on the preflop range an opponent has combined with the cbet frequency?

Also is this a play that is suitable for boards that are draw heavy?

Also when your turn bet is called would you fire the river again when a scarecards pops up like an overcard?

Posted almost 2 years ago

Tovergieter

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About what I maybe want to see in next vids:

SpadeHow to play draws when your the aggressor and when your not the aggressor. I often have diffulculties overestimate my implied odds when calling on the flop/turn with my draw.

Spade How to play made hands (TP or better) on very drawheavy boards (and possible made draw boards!). For example you hold AK and the board is Kxx of the same suit. How do you continue? Or you hold 66 and the board is K69 with 2 suited and the turn or river complete's the flushdraw. I usually shut down against any type of aggression with the fear of running in a flush.

Spade The part of my above question and what you mentioned I thought Poke Tongue when or when not to float.

Spade everything you said about cbet would be ofcourse very helpfull!

And last: Keep up the good work! Grin

Posted almost 2 years ago

RapidEvolution

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Can this loose calling of 3bets also be applied for players who play 6/6 without reads/stats? Isn't it more likely that a player that is that tight would also call 3bets more tightly and will therefore only call more likely with better hands?

So isn't it best to do this with people who have like 14/12 and above or something like that because they are already tempted to play looser and you can easier get value of weaker hands?

Also is 3betting callingstations oke with AKo? Or do you first want to see a flop because you don't have a made hand yet. I'm asking this because you lose the minimum when you didn't hit but when you hit it's more easy to extract value from them.

Last question: would you also 3bet AKo IP when it is a multiway pot?

And again thx for all the effort you put in answering questions Grin



When we're sitting with AK and are thinking about a 3bet, remember that we can either 3bet for value or as a thin bluff+scooping of dead money. If we're 3betting for value, it's because we expect that an opponent will call us with worse hands (KQ/KJ/AQ/AJ). In this instance, 3betting not only gets us value, but also allows us to create a pot size on the flop that is easy to commit to. If we're 3betting as a bluff, it's because we know he'll fold a lot of PPs that have a thin equity advantage against us.

There are reasons for calling as well. If we know the villain has a tendency to overvalue tpmk AND he'll have hands that we dominate in his opening range that will fold to a 3bet, calling allows us to get some good value postflop. We need to be careful, however, about stacking off in these spots because the pot size on the flop won't be conducive to staking off profitably (unless we know the villain will stack off with any tp hand).

When it's multiway, 3betting is still very good. There's a lot of money in the pot to take down (from the multiple callers) AND if players are passive, we should be able to stack off with TPTK quite profitably. We do need to be aware, though, of putting in too much money vs ppl who can't fold when we miss the flop.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Tovergieter

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Thanks for the respons!

Last question about the 3bet topic:

In a multiway pot how much would you bet? Is there a standard for full stacks? Or do you look at the villains tendencies to call (higher tendency higher ammount?). This because when 1 villain calls the other villains get far better odds then you want, but you don't want to bet an ammount that only would be called by better hands.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Tovergieter

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And final question Poke Tongue : Never 3bet AK OOP right?

Posted almost 2 years ago

RapidEvolution

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4-6 bb+1/limper is a decent place to start. As you correctly stated, you want to make adjustments both for calling ranges and your own hand strength. For hands that will flop tptk or against villains who love to call pre and then fold post, I tend to raise larger. If I'm iso-ing with something prospective (I'd do this sometimes if I'm planning to overlimp but have a very aggressive player behind me) or against someone who's very passive postflop, I tend to raise smaller to reduce my preflop investment and increase my implied odds postflop.


As for 3betting AK OOP, (as usual) it depends. Things do get a bit tougher OOP against some villains, so we do want to have some kind of idea how they play postflop. Also, blindly cbetting into bad board textures is a great way to lose money, so we need to be aware that sometimes check/folding will be the best play on the flop.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Poker Student

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Time Link to 00:10:03

Shouldn't you be takeing the money out of his stack and not hers because he has less money then she does. Also what about the 15:1 rule? Its faster and eaiser.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Poker Student

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On the last hand if he bet 1/2 the pot or more would you still base your raise off of the pot size or did you just do that because it was a min bet?

Posted almost 2 years ago




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